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Originally posted by trapnoclue trapnoclue wrote:

i have horsebox, trap out is one of them, ward out,whelan out, green out, hunt out, o shea either out or to centre back, keane out, cox out, all these into team/squad coleman,wilson,duffy,cunningham,mcclean,mccarthy,gibson,long,brady,holohan,ireland.

Throw out all your players and manager and come onto an internet forum and sulk.

Cunningham has done nothing of late and I very much doubt you have even seen him play.
Brady whilst talented is still very raw and a long way to go.
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For the Kazak game i'd like to see a 4-4-1-1
 
Coleman - Dunne/O'Shea - Wilson
 
McGeady - Gibson/Andrews - Ward
 
McCarthy
 
Walters
 
 
 
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cunningham and brady are better than ward and hunt, ward is not up to it and wont ever be, same as whelan,green mcshane etc, there is no point persisting with these players if your not good enough your not good enough end of story!i dont care how commited they are!
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Originally posted by trapnoclue trapnoclue wrote:

cunningham and brady are better than ward and hunt
 
utter dung , hunt and brady are not even like for like
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My preference would be for a slightly tweaked new formation along the lines of 4-2-3-1 (or 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 with the no 10 drawn deeper and the central three shuffling across to cover the width of the pitch when necessary, leaving the wingers with limited defensive duties, rather than heaping the majority of those duties on an overworked central two, which has not worked well lately)

Given / Westwood

Kelly - St Ledger - Dunne - O'Shea

Gibson - Andrews (Whelan for K-Stan and possibly Germany, given the suspension)

McGeady - McCarthy - McClean

Long

Never going to happen of course, and it is presupposing Duff and Keane decide to retire, as there is no real place for Robbie in the system, as he tends to need a front line partner and lately hasn't shown himself able to operate as a lone striker or as a creative attacking midfielder. Also, this formation relies on the wingers providing a goal threat from both sides, which (sadly) appears to only be present from one side from McClean, although McGeady can and does cut inside. For the same reason, it only works if Duff isn't in the side (which is likely only if he retires) as his goal threat has diminished lately and relying on one striker is risky at the best of times. It does however provide a threat from deep, with Andrews' runs into the box and Gibson's shooting from distance, although of course that is presupposed on McCarthy or whoever the number ten is assuming the midfielders' positions and covering when they advance, which is why McCarthy seems to me to be the best fit for that position. Also, the big if is McCarthy's future and whether he decides to place his international career on hold for the time being. I'm also unsure as to who I would like up front, as there are obviously a number of options, although we should really try to counter-attack a bit more (much and all as that was never an option against in the Euros what with the early goals and all), especially against the likely high German line and I think Long is better suited to that class of game than Walters or the alternatives.


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I think we can use the Serbia and Boratland game to try something new before the big Germany game, where if we play the system we have employed the last 4 years we will be beaten comfortably. We should definetly be playing with only 1 striker up front against Germany so we can flood the midfield so I think we should use the 2 previous games to play with this system to prepare us for the big one. Serbia is only a friendly and we should be beating kazakhstan handy enough

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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

My preference would be for a slightly tweaked new formation along the lines of 4-2-3-1 (or 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 with the no 10 drawn deeper and the central three shuffling across to cover the width of the pitch when necessary, leaving the wingers with limited defensive duties, rather than heaping the majority of those duties on an overworked central two, which has not worked well lately)

Given / Westwood

Kelly - St Ledger - Dunne - O'Shea

Gibson - Andrews (Whelan for K-Stan and possibly Germany, given the suspension)

McGeady - McCarthy - McClean

Long

Never going to happen of course, and it is presupposing Duff and Keane decide to retire, as there is no real place for Robbie in the system, as he tends to need a front line partner and lately hasn't shown himself able to operate as a lone striker or as a creative attacking midfielder. Also, this formation relies on the wingers providing a goal threat from both sides, which (sadly) appears to only be present from one side from McClean, although McGeady can and does cut inside. For the same reason, it only works if Duff isn't in the side (which is likely only if he retires) as his goal threat has diminished lately and relying on one striker is risky at the best of times. It does however provide a threat from deep, with Andrews' runs into the box and Gibson's shooting from distance, although of course that is presupposed on McCarthy or whoever the number ten is assuming the midfielders' positions and covering when they advance, which is why McCarthy seems to me to be the best fit for that position. Also, the big if is McCarthy's future and whether he decides to place his international career on hold for the time being. I'm also unsure as to who I would like up front, as there are obviously a number of options, although we should really try to counter-attack a bit more (much and all as that was never an option against in the Euros what with the early goals and all), especially against the likely high German line and I think Long is better suited to that class of game than Walters or the alternatives.
 
If McCarthy suspected he was going to start/get game time in Poland I suspect he might have made a different decision about making himself available. Just an opinion
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

My preference would be for a slightly tweaked new formation along the lines of 4-2-3-1 (or 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 with the no 10 drawn deeper and the central three shuffling across to cover the width of the pitch when necessary, leaving the wingers with limited defensive duties, rather than heaping the majority of those duties on an overworked central two, which has not worked well lately)

Given / Westwood

Kelly - St Ledger - Dunne - O'Shea

Gibson - Andrews (Whelan for K-Stan and possibly Germany, given the suspension)

McGeady - McCarthy - McClean

Long

Never going to happen of course, and it is presupposing Duff and Keane decide to retire, as there is no real place for Robbie in the system, as he tends to need a front line partner and lately hasn't shown himself able to operate as a lone striker or as a creative attacking midfielder. Also, this formation relies on the wingers providing a goal threat from both sides, which (sadly) appears to only be present from one side from McClean, although McGeady can and does cut inside. For the same reason, it only works if Duff isn't in the side (which is likely only if he retires) as his goal threat has diminished lately and relying on one striker is risky at the best of times. It does however provide a threat from deep, with Andrews' runs into the box and Gibson's shooting from distance, although of course that is presupposed on McCarthy or whoever the number ten is assuming the midfielders' positions and covering when they advance, which is why McCarthy seems to me to be the best fit for that position. Also, the big if is McCarthy's future and whether he decides to place his international career on hold for the time being. I'm also unsure as to who I would like up front, as there are obviously a number of options, although we should really try to counter-attack a bit more (much and all as that was never an option against in the Euros what with the early goals and all), especially against the likely high German line and I think Long is better suited to that class of game than Walters or the alternatives.
 
If McCarthy suspected he was going to start/get game time in Poland I suspect he might have made a different decision about making himself available. Just an opinion

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I agree with that - if he was a certain starter he would have went to the Euro's.

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i know they are not like for like roger, thats the problem with trap he wont try anything different, my point is cunningham and brady are better i dont give a sh*t how differant they are!
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We wont try anything new against the Kazaks as trap would not risk it.
We won't try anything new against serbia either as trap will use that to prepare for the kazak game.
 
My hope is
1). Delaney has a sit down with tap and demands he starts to attend games week in, week out in the PL, and that he initiates contact with stephen Ireland to come back. 
 
As trap is such an egotist the hope is he will walk away after this meeting, or he is approached to manage an african of other 3rd world nation for big bucks. The sad thing is i doubt even the africans would want him now.
 
 
 
 
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god i hope your right citizen i dont care how he goes as long as he goes, why doesnt o brien just pull the plug on the money? trap wont hang around if the money is cut!
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Originally posted by trapnoclue trapnoclue wrote:

god i hope your right citizen i dont care how he goes as long as he goes, why doesnt o brien just pull the plug on the money? trap wont hang around if the money is cut!
i would suspect that Traps contract is with the FAI and not O'Brien. If Denis were to pull the plug, then that leaves the FAI footing the whole lot.
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Originally posted by trapnoclue trapnoclue wrote:

god i hope your right citizen i dont care how he goes as long as he goes, why doesnt o brien just pull the plug on the money? trap wont hang around if the money is cut!

O'Brien has confirmed it was one of his better investments.
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He did yeah I heard him talking on bloomberg a few days back.
"Fantastic Investment" he said.
 Anyway..as the tournament comes to an end, two of our group
teams are in the Final is there anything in that?Are we all really getting ahead of ourselves?
Time will tell,Ive a funny feeling now we will go through the WCQ with Trap at the helm like it or not.
 
Was strange to look back at old posts Page 231 before trap took over FC Salzburg got Thumped 7-0 
by Rapid Vienna people were calling for his head then aswell. 

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Trap would have no problem getting a job if he left us. 
The view from the continent is that Trap took over a bunch of journey men that were going nowhere and has managed to get them to overachieve by qualifying for a tournament. Just shows the lack of regard people have for our players. Its not exactly how i see it but that's the perception.
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no chance anyone would hire trap, zero chance at 73 years of age would you leave it so.
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