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    Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 6:49pm
Agree with Clonbhoy and Ireland4ever on this one
 
Does this mean then the big boys get the extra tv revenue from having teams in the championship for example thus taking these much needed funds away from football league clubs where 99% of them are struggling as it is.
 
The big problem for the clubs wanting to do this is to get into the football league they have to get past a vote and no football league club with any sense would vote for it as they got their way with the epl but the FA/football league wouldnt sanction it. As was previously said the lower league clubs in england get crowds on a par with some top division clubs on the continent.
 
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Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:

what happens to the teams in the league. do ten teams have to drop out to amke room for their financial overlords? Make the reserve league more serious if they want



Spanish B teams started at regional level. It would certainly be a long term project, benefiting their national side in the future.
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That was rhetorical ta. I suppose the big boys will get it if they want it.Like the EPPP
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Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:


Originally posted by tribalarmy tribalarmy wrote:

You don't have to be in the 'top 4' to have a B team.

Villareal are a great example of using your B team well, leading them from being an unknown club to European cup semi finalists and La Liga runners up. It's no coincidence that the creation of their B team in 99 coincided with their rise to the top.


So if Barnet create a B team they too will rise to the top?


It wouldn't harm them. And if they used it well who knows what might happen.
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what happens to the teams in the league. do ten teams have to drop out to amke room for their financial overlords? Make the reserve league more serious if they want
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It would certainly improve the teams at the top, teams with bigger resources. The playing field is so skewed towards them as it is i cant see the other teams signing up to this. Id imagine this would need a majority decision from all the teams in the football league, and as the saying goes Turkeys dont vote Christmas.
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Originally posted by tribalarmy tribalarmy wrote:

You don't have to be in the 'top 4' to have a B team.

Villareal are a great example of using your B team well, leading them from being an unknown club to European cup semi finalists and La Liga runners up. It's no coincidence that the creation of their B team in 99 coincided with their rise to the top.

So if Barnet create a B team they too will rise to the top?
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You don't have to be in the 'top 4' to have a B team.

Villareal are a great example of using your B team well, leading them from being an unknown club to European cup semi finalists and La Liga runners up. It's no coincidence that the creation of their B team in 99 coincided with their rise to the top.
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Originally posted by tribalarmy tribalarmy wrote:

Originally posted by Ireland4ever Ireland4ever wrote:

Why cant they just use the loan facility and loan players out to teams with a smiliar playing philosophy?


You can't control whether they play or not.

You can't call them up to the 1st team squad when you need them you must wait for a transfer window.

One of the best thing about Barca and Villareal. Is the young players play together every week at a high competitve level. They aren't all scattered about at different clubs playing slightly different styles and then come back with little understanding of each other.
 
No doubt it would benefit the top clubs, but there's 88 other clubs in the football league outside the top four. Why should the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?
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There is no doubting the benefits of this for chelsea et al. What are the benefits for the members of the football league?
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It would also help the players develop a lot more. If a lot of the Barca youth players were on loan at another club or somewhere in europe, they're hardly going to develop the Barcelona style of play. Whereas having a B team really allows them to grow into being a Barca player and makes the step up easier for them.

Watching El Classico the other night didn't they say something about Pep giving roughly 25 youngsters their debut over the last few years. Thats tremendous. 
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Benitez wanted this back in his day.
Basically the reserve team would be much more competitive.
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Originally posted by Ireland4ever Ireland4ever wrote:

Why cant they just use the loan facility and loan players out to teams with a smiliar playing philosophy?


You can't control whether they play or not.

You can't call them up to the 1st team squad when you need them you must wait for a transfer window.

One of the best thing about Barca and Villareal. Is the young players play together every week at a high competitve level. They aren't all scattered about at different clubs playing slightly different styles and then come back with little understanding of each other.
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A very arrogant idea from a top club, these B teams would be effectively taking a place in the football league from another club. What would be the limit? Why cant they just use the loan facility and loan players out to teams with a smiliar playing philosophy?
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Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

It's a good idea in theory but in practice i dont know. How many sides would have B teams competing in lower leagues? 


In Spain there are 2 'B' sides in the Segunda1(Championship).

Below this there are 4 groups of 20 teams. These 4 leagues are equal in quality. The top 4 teams in each group go into a 16 team play off. The best 4 in the play off get promoted.

Out of the 80 teams, 14 of them are 'B teams'. You cannot get promoted to Segunda 1 unless your first team are in La Liga Premira.

Below these 4 groups are around 20 regional leagues. In these leagues there are plenty of B teams of smaller clubs as well as 3rd teams of bigger clubs.

Real Madrid B look like they could be promoted to Segunda 1 this season.



Not sure how they'd work it in England and what level the teams would enter at.

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Originally posted by tribalarmy tribalarmy wrote:

Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:

Don't they already play their reserve teams in the cups? Would be the final nail in the coffin of English footballs soul.


NO they don't.

How would it be a nail in the coffin of English football's soul? German and Spanish football certainly havn't lost their soul and they have reserve teams playing in the league system.

It has always been part of the culture on mainland Europe. English football has traditionally blossomed on the strength of provincial and smaller clubs.Very few teams in the third tier or lower in Germany,Italy or spain garner the support that lower league teams in England traditionally get. It is not just part of footballing culture but part of the fabric of society here. While understand AVB wanting what is best for his team there are far more serious problems in the English youth system than Arsenal reserves not playing Barnet
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It's a good idea in theory but in practice i dont know. How many sides would have B teams competing in lower leagues? 
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I think an idea to be looked at would be for Premier League teams to enter their reserves in something like the LDV Vans trophy(don't know if it's still called that). They'd get a few games out of that surely.
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