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ChesterCopperpot
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The same as I was wondering if why Rashford wasn't taking it, hindsight was, if Pogba scored we wouldn't be having this conversation. But read somewhere that it's speculated, that if Pogba wins the penalty, he gets to take it, which is absolutely ludicrous
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Hans Moleman
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These things happen Rashford is clearly the better penalty taker. Pogba is atrocious at taking them, even though last nights wasn't nearly his worst. It is the kind of thing that people thought Solksjaer was being brought in to remove, that kind of individual toxic ego that goes against team ethos. As Terri said, it could well be a case of Solskjaer being stuck with the imposter, possibly hoping to sell and replace him with someone else, but the board probably said no. Whatever the scenario in the background, none of them end well for Solskjaer himself.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Territorial
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If this site is reliable, then just over 81% of PL penalties are successfully converted: Pogba probably hasn't taken enough to make a reliable sample size, but his current total for MU is 7 out of 11 = 63.6%. Compare this with other MU penalty takers: Rooney: 20/27 = 74.1% (add in Everton and it's 23/33 = 69.7%) van Nistelrooy: 18/22 = 81.8% Cantona: 14/14 = 100.0% Ronaldo: 11/13 = 84.6% Irwin: 8/8 = 100%. Meanwhile, PP would need to score his next 9 consecutive pens just to get him up to the PL average. And I don't know how many he'd need to score to get him up eg to Shearer, who converted 53/55 for B'burn and NUFC = 96.4%! Anyhow, anyone has watched eg Harry Kane will see that it is possible to improve your basic penalty technique, to the extent that after a couple of misses with "average" penalties, he's now all but unstoppable. Can anyone really see Pogba swallowing his ego and letting Rashford take them, until he has refined his technique on the training ground? Or OGS instructing him to do so?
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irishmufc
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Cantona definitely missed at least one and it was away to Leeds as far as I remember.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Surely irwin took more than 8 penos in his utd career? I thought it wud have been 3 times that. In my mind anyway.
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Territorial
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You're quite right - shoulda known not to trust that bloody site! And he also missed one against Blackburn, so his tally was actually 14/16. They may have got it wrong because he also scored from open play in both of those games? Anyhow, the Daily Mail and Opta reckon the correct figures are:
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BrendanD88
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Pogba is one of the best players in the league but please continue with your weird agenda! I find it hilarious. |
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Devrozex
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Whilst Hans openly admits to having general issues with Pogba surely you can see he is correct in this instance? He may be one of the better players in the division but it's pretty obvious he should not even be in the discussion when it comes to taking penalties at this stage.
Aside from his clearly below average conversion rate for United (he also had a 50% success rate for Juve - admittedly only took two for them) he doesn't have any distinct penalty style - between last year's farcical run-ups and the one he took the other night he basically seems to make it up as he goes along. Even the penalties he scores rarely look convincing - unlike Rashford who never looks remotely like missing. It seems pretty clear he's only still on penalties because Solskjaer is pandering to him in any way he can in order to keep him happy enough to stay on for another season.
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OnTheOneRoad
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He shouldn't be on penalties - but i'm really not sure where the whole toxic influence stuff comes from. Really is no surprise the fact he was racially abused this week the way he is portrayed by the media in general and social media.
"Pace and power, but lazy" "A bad influence, should focus less on his hair and instagram and more on his football" "Roy Keane (the man who told a young player he was managing that he'd be involved in drive-by shootings in a year) would never stand for this" It's been said before, but anyone connected to United has spoken of his excellent attitude, influence at the club and how they love having him around. Even young players who have been let go and 'dished dirt' on other goings-on had nothing but positives to say about Pogba. It was a questionable decision but the fact it's still being debated by supposedly reputable journalists and pundits is dog-whistle politics of the lowest order, when Rashford himself felt the need to publicly come out and state it was no big deal whatsoever.
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No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough
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ChesterCopperpot
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OGS has apparently told Pogba that Rashford is on penalty duties from now on
Will be interesting to see the reaction
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BrendanD88
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Rubbish! Rashford has only hit two penalties in his United career ffs. Messi has a pretty average penalty record but you won't get people going on and on if he misses his next one, it's embarrassing and weird how Pogba gets targeted (see twitter this week). Certainly seems like there is a racial element to it. |
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Roberto Baggio
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Saying Rashford should have taken a penalty instead of Pogba is racist
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Devrozex
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Another player who shouldn't be taking penalties in fairness - as is Aguero. At least with those two you get the impression they practice them - as I said Pogba just looks like he wants to give them a crack for the sake of it. Also according to this website (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marcus-rashford/elfmetertore/spieler/258923) Rashford has a 100% success rate from six penalties.
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Hans Moleman
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I've seen the Messi thing repeatedly mentioned the past 2 days. Messi is not a great penalty taker. Not woeful, but not great either. One thing is certain though, he is one of the greatest players of all time. So even if he if not statistically the best penalty taker at the club, I can see why managers would want to keep one of the greatest players ever happy. Pogba is not Messi. Pogba is a guy that when he leaves United all the fans will wonder what the fuss was really about. He's been at the club 3 years and you can count his top level performances with the fingers of one hand. Best of luck keeping tabs on the amount of awful displays he has put in at United. OntheOneRoad is mentioning him being a positive influence, how nobody comes out of the United dressing room and says anything bad about Pogba. That United dressing room! The one that is rightly pointed out as the most toxic at the club in the past 30 years. I wouldn't be putting too much stock in who is being backed by the majority of the players there. As for the talk of racism the deflecting done around Pogba is a sight to see. He is a hugely over rated me feiner, who goes through the motions in the majority of games he plays for United. There's a reason so many of the match going fans turned on him last season, it's because they can see how little he gives a f*ck when on the pitch. If it's true that Rashford is now on penalties for the season, that will not sit well at all with the team player Pogba He knows well his awful stats needs those penalties for padding. It got him the most comical of places on the PFA team of the year last season. Brendan won't be able to point to his goal stats (mostly penalties last season) to gloss over some godawful displays in general by Pogba this season. It's going to be a long season for Pogba. Oh, and his number 1 fan Brendan |
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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OnTheOneRoad
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I would personally say you could make the argument that the most toxic dressing room at United in the past 30 years was the one where Keano saw fit to eviscerate them on MUTV.....
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No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough
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Hans Moleman
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You could argue that. I'd counter that by saying that the majority of that dressing room was proven to stick together, graft and win trophy after trophy over the next 4-5 years. Obviously with 1-2 additions after Keane was thrown out. The whole reason Solskjaer was keen to bring guys like Maguire and AWB in was to start to turn around what is clearly a poisonous, me feiner, attitude at the club. I don't think Solskjaer is stupid either, I think he would gladly have been rid of Pogba if he could. Just like lads like Lukaku and Sanchez are being moved on.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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