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The narrative is -
1. He improved the squad.
2. There was none of the toxicity that was there at the end of Mourinho.
3. The club is in a better position now than when he took over.

In reality -
1. He was the most backed United manager of all United managers since Ferguson - it would have been hard not to improve the squad with that insane level of backing. Funny though that they gave all the backing to the worst of the four post Ferguson managers - worst by a country mile even.

2. United have produced some of the worst results and performances in the history of the club in the last few weeks. Ole had to face bad abuse from the away end yesterday. The players couldn't have been less arsed, there have been so many reports of negativity in the dressing room, constant leaks - the toxicity is well and truly there.

3. They weren't in that bad a position when he took over. Mourinho had just presided over the best league finish since Ferguson and after not getting a centre back that Summer like he asked for, decided to give up. Essentially 2 months of sh*te ensued and he was sacked. Literally the same as Ole. Obviously some of the personnel are better as mentioned in point 1 but how could they not be?

The mental gymnastics involved in defending Ole are something to behold. Even Neville on Sky earlier saying that nobody could have predicted this. This was very predictable. The warning signs were there for a long time, as early as the two months immediately after Ole got the gig full time.


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He’ll get fairer treatment given his long history with the club. But the facts don’t speak particularly well, especially given the money spent on players. Compare this with Chelsea who took action with Lampard as results were failing. OGS stayed one ahead of the game but that started to derail too.


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Originally posted by ShamtheRam ShamtheRam wrote:

Ralf Rangnick as interim and then Ten Haag comes in as manager for next season with Rangnick becoming DOF?... One can dream.

Ole a class act. He'll always be a Legend. 

Would think this would be the best option alright
Will United be competent enough to do it, probably not
Carrick as second favourite as next permanent manager behind Rodgers tells it's own story
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Pochettino, Ten Haag etc etc there’s loads of decent options out there. And all of them would be a sizable improvement on Ole 


Neither likely to leave their clubs mid season.

Ten Hag will fancy a deep run in the CL and a league.
Pochettino will add a league to a CV without one if he sits tight and will still be in demand next Summer.

If they could persuade Luis Enrique to take it and allow him to keep managing Spain until the World Cup is over, he is probably the best manager they may have a chance of getting right now. And not have to wait until the Summer for.

If they go for Rodgers they may as well pack it in.
Poch & PSG would be open to him moving if the money was right, Poch has never been fully accepted at PSG, I think the move could suit all 3 parties. 


BBC basically reporting this today LOL

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Next permanent manager has to either be Pochettino or ten Hag.
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Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce.      
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Poch now into favourite with the Bookies
Do people still think he's a good appointment? Hasnt exactly set the world alight with PSG
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A touch of the Jose appointment about it. Touted for a long time, and when it finally happens it wasn’t as good as was hoped for. He’s not a particularly decorated manager, and seemed To have a similar mindset about the importance of winning cups as OGS.
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Originally posted by ChesterCopperpot ChesterCopperpot wrote:

Poch now into favourite with the Bookies
Do people still think he's a good appointment? Hasnt exactly set the world alight with PSG

Well he'd certainly be a better appointment than the others they've been linked with. Rodgers and Carrick are joint second favourite behind him on PP. Rodgers is all over the shop at Leicester this season - seems to have no idea what his best team or formation is and they are languishing in the bottom half of the table - on current trajectory he won't last the season. And then there's Carrick which would basically be going down the OGS route again of hiring an unproven manager on the basis of his former playing career with the club.
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Agree on both Rodgers and Carrick
I tend to agree with Hetfield though that it might  not be as good as hoped
Or it could just being me being stuck on Ragnick and then Ten Hag as being the best option
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If Rodgers comes along with two of Leicester's midfield he would have half the job done. The other half would be getting rid of Ronaldo
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ChesterCopperpot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2021 at 9:05am
Would take Ndidi and Tielemans alright.
Still dont think Rodgers is that great of a manager
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

If Rodgers comes along with two of Leicester's midfield he would have half the job done. The other half would be getting rid of Ronaldo

Ah here for all the problems United have Ronaldo is certainly not one of them LOL
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Poch could be a busy man in Manchester tomorrow
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How did Van Den Beek play last night?


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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

How did Van Den Beek play last night?



Quite poorly. Taking him and Martial off for Fernandes and Rashford turned the game.

That should be Martial's last game in a United shirt. He has been utter muck for a long time.
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Martial was the biggest problem on the pitch - Everybody looked better once he was taken off. I suspect VDB would have too but didn't get the chance.

As soon as Martial departed the press was more coherent and began higher, and Villareal were forced deeper as there was more of a threat in behind from Rashford who actually attempted to move.

Martial is an abysmal player. Horrific attitude, horrific application and very limited skillset.
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