The Rugby Thread

athlonecelt wrote: Most of the 'I believe her' campaign have confused being a scumbag with being a rapist from day one. What does that say about them as people? They are campaigning for social justice, yet they ignore a courts decision. They ignore the fact that the jury have had a completely clearer and focused opportunity to look at all the evidence, proceedings that were presented to them in front of their faces. They ignore all of that because their agenda is more important. It's actually embarrassing. Says a lot about trial by social media and society as a whole. There's a very clearpattern now of completely ridiculous campaigns succeeeding such as Brexit, Trump etc. I get accused of defending men ?? Really ? Paddy Jackson actually represents two types of people that I hate ( which I wont get into, for fear of a ridiculous tangent). So I'm not defending them.

Edited by OnTheOneRoad - 29 Mar 2018 at 2:27pm

gufct wrote: SD just three things that puzzled me about the trial; Why couldn’t the prosecution retrieve the messages on Harrison’s phone that were wiped? Why didn’t the prosecution do a bigger search for Olding Clothes on the night. Lastly in her summing up the judge put Dara Florence’s evidence forward as vital but this evidence totally contradicted Paddy Jackson’s evidence.

1) WhatsApp is, as a general rule, encrypted. It's not easy to retrieve deleted messages.

2) I don't know how much of a search they did. If his bins are collected on a Monday morning and they only searched on a Monday afternoon, there'd have been little to find. I've no way of knowing what the searched or when they searched.

3) Dara Florence's evidence *was* vital - it was the only evidence not from the complainant or the accused. It may not have been corroborative of either version, but it was independent evidence, that's the point. Where the primary issue was consent (leaving aside the fact Jackson denied actually having sex), the evidence of someone who actually saw part of what happened is key.

FREEWHEELER wrote: While I support very much the complainant and despise those four fooking creatures, I'm hearing terms such as "rape culture" being bandied about from some women and it's being let go unchallenged.   What is this rape culture they speak of?   The overwhelming majority of blokes are respectful, lawful and decent, letting fly with expressions of "rape culture" is inaccurate and dangerous in my opinion.

athlonecelt wrote: I'd say ' Porn Culture' would be more accurate. Porn isn't new but the access to it and what young kids perceive to be the way to act is an underlying feature. So many kids are looking at that and believing that is what is expected from them.

All the outrage and we have he that can't be named playing league of Ireland every week after he pled guilty to something similar.

People saying they should never play for Ireland again and pointing to the whatsapp group, all the boasting messages were coming from all the other lads. Olding said one or two things but nothing so bad and Jackson said nothing really.

Put yourself in Jackson's shoes. To me it sounds like he was with your one, then all
these other hangers on (mainly McIlroy) start trying to butt in which probably turned the mood sour with your one and then they are the ones boasting about it in messages. Now his rugby career is in jeopardy (in Ireland anyway)

Edited by t_rAndy - 29 Mar 2018 at 9:46pm

I think you should delete those pictures if they are of that girl. No need for them and I don't understand what you think this proves.

What are we "judging for ourselves" in the pics that you've posted Sid?

Edited by Roberto Baggio - 30 Mar 2018 at 8:48am

Pic deleted, if any pics are put up on this thread you will be banned