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sid waddell
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What grounds has Jackson got for suing Aodhan O'Riordain over this tweet? Will Jackson now be suing anybody who says that they still believe the complainant? |
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horsebox
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The medical evidence suggests she was not raped. She also 'forgot' she was sexually assaulted by Olding when she was medically examined. |
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greenforever
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While in principle i would agree with the highlighted passage, what if it turns out the jury were got to? I'm not making a suggestion they were, but I'm sure there are cases that Juries have been got at, and why we have the Special Criminal Court. Surely there has to be charges that could be brought if it comes out the jury ( or any jury ) deliberately acted outside the law.
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sid waddell
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The medical evidence didn't suggest she was not raped. It merely doesn't prove that she was raped. There's a big, big difference. Even if semen had been found, it wouldn't have proved that she was raped. There is basically no medical evidence that can prove beyond doubt that a woman has been raped. When the complainant was medically examined, she hadn't slept for 30 hours. I'm quite satisfied that inconsistencies in what she told Dr. Lavery were not only understandable, but likely to be expected, given the combination of trauma and lack of sleep. |
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Het-field
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Anybody who explicitly claims they are guilty would be open to being sued, or those who would do so by way of innuendo. The ibelieveher hashtag would be more difficult to argue as it would probably require going into the full facts of the case, and the lower standard of proof. But the not guilty verdict means that people have to be careful how far they go when claiming their guilt, when the Court has found otherwise.
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Denis Irwin
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As Aodhan O'Riordan has just found out Edited by Denis Irwin - 30 Mar 2018 at 1:35pm |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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sid waddell
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Jackson has no grounds to sue over the #ibelieveher hashtag or sentiments which amount to the same. So what is he suing O'Riordain for? The sentence that reads "The smug, well-connected middle class boys win out again"? Seems pretty tenuous. I would think the complainant would have a much better case against anybody, particularly in the media, who alleges that her claims were "false", when the jury did not find that at all. |
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Denis Irwin
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Defamation. Whether you like it or not they were found not guilty in the eyes of the law. What you think of the case does not entitle you to make what could be construed as defamatory statements
Edited by Denis Irwin - 30 Mar 2018 at 1:44pm |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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Het-field
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Defamation depends on the statement. The same applies to the complainant, and depending on the statement it may be actionable. The further the person making the statement diverges from the outcome, the more likely they are to be successfully liable in defamation. Anybody who claims guilt is liable, and it would be actionable.
Edited by Het-field - 30 Mar 2018 at 1:55pm |
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sid waddell
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If somebody had said after Sean Fitzpatrick was acquitted: "The smug, entitled middle class boy wins out again", I highly doubt we would have heard very much about it. What's the difference with this?
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greenforever
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Probably Fitzpatrick has enough cop on to quit while he's ahead. Jackson if he starts suing people he could well end up losing and he will ensure his disgraced name remains in the public eye longer. Olding seems to have been better advised with his statement where while insisting his innocence he did say he regretted his actions on the night.
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Het-field
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Sid, its in the context of the entire statement that it can be defamatory.
Something that people can disagree can still be defamatory. I recall the Rory O'Neill interview. |
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Roberto Baggio
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Was nice of Olding to apologise to the girl for any hurt caused outside the court. Jackson's solicitor came across as a pompous arrogant coont |
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sid waddell
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I don't know who Rory O'Neill is so you'll have to explain that. I agree with greenforever that Jackson is only digging a deeper hole for himself here and that Olding has sort of defused the situation regarding himself to an extent with his statement. At best, Jackson will be on very shaky legal ground in terms of bringing an action. He'll also effectively secure O'Riordain's re-election to the Dail. But most of all, the more he digs in and brings spurious legal actions, the more he'll make himself public enemy number one. Sooner or later, whether he's playing for Ulster or for an English or French team, he'll likely have to play a rugby match on this island, and things could get very nasty indeed that day, especially when he has to take a place kick. I'll put it this way, there won't be silence as there normally is. |
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GB 1HughJarse
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What did the juror actually say?
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Roberto Baggio
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Sid, a few weeks ago on here you were more or less saying they were for the slammer, and that you couldn't understand how so many on the thread were saying that the lads would all walk. Now you're biggest hope is if Jackson is ever taking a penalty kick in Ireland again there may not be silence in the crowd.
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greenforever
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Jackson will never play Rugby for Ulster or Ireland again. If the IRFU were to allow his contract to be reinstated Sponsors will walk away. Ulster Rugby rely on the IRFU for funding and even they would lose sponsors if they allowed him back. Olding with his apology just may in a few years get to play for an Irish team but as of now they have no chance of playing here or even in the UK.
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Het-field
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Rory O'Neill is PANTI, who made statements on RTÉ about the Iona Institute which were acted upon:
The wisdom of suing is something that is between the complainant and their lawyer, but it does open up the case again, and more public scrutiny and interest. But that does not mean they are spurious. You may not like the defendants, but that doesn't mean they can't be defamed, or wouldn't win defamation actions related to the case. Edited by Het-field - 30 Mar 2018 at 7:12pm |
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