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All 3 are undroppable mainstays when available but probably wouldn't make starting 11 start under a new manager. Says it all.
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An English journo actually did an analysis of what Hendrick actually does contribute on the pitch, given the prevailing puzzlement over this issue for anyone that follows Premiership and international football with much interest. The conclusion anyway is that the one thing he does, and does well, is to recycle the ball in possession efficiently to more talented, creative players. Given we really don't possess any talented creative players and equally little possession though this niche of his would seem pretty much redundant in an Ireland jersey but this point seems lost on those who have an influence on or advocate his supposedly essential place in our starting line up.
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BabbsBalls
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So after all that journos work he arrived at the same conclusion as us. That he’s sh*t.
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l hear you are a racist now, father ?
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I don't think you can judge (and thus any condemn and write off) any player under the current MON/Keane farrago. We're a completely disorganised, shambolic rabble right now. In the old days under Jack and Mick, players who had quite modest if respectable careers (think of players like Breen, McCarthy, Cunningham, Morris, Kilbane, Kinsella and the like) would play well above themselves when in the green shirt. Let's remember that this month marks the 25th anniversary of Alan McLoughlin of second division Portsmouth scoring the goal that took us to the World Cup. Michael O'Neill's NI played us off the park with a side drawn from clubs like Oxford, Burton and Kilmarnock. Organisation and team spirit can take you a surprisingly long way in international football.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 10:26pm |
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Yes they probably would.
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Hans Moleman
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Involved in 9 games out of 12 PL games. Starting 7 games, of which he was subbed off in 5 of those. So he has completed 2 full 90 minute PL games this season. Been involved in just over half the minutes of playing time (about 580 out of 1080 mins, which tbh I thought he had less time on the pitch). Even though he's played slightly more minutes than I thought, the breakdown of those stats is very very different to the picture painted by yourself that has played 9 of 12 PL games this season. He's clearly not one of their main players anymore, and that's no surprise when you watch him play with Burnley. We have a Burnley fan on here, so I'm sure he'll she'd more light on this, but I presume Hendrick will most likely be a bit part player and subbing a lot more if everyone is fit at Burnley? Also is it a feeling among most Burnley fans that they got sold a pup, and then they'll end up getting little to nothing back for him when he moves on.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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This is the problem not Hendrick himself. He plays as a #10 for Burnley but MON deploys him as an outright central midfielder. Who was his midfield partner after half an hour? Hourihane, another advanced midfielder being deployed out of position which is greatly upsetting the balance of the midfield. I find it amazing how Hendrick gets criticised literally every game but Hourihane escapes the radar, and it's the latter who's been smashing them in as if he's trying to recreate Bend it like Beckham. I'm not pinning the blame on Conor either, it's further evidence that it's how MON is deploying them is absolutely limiting them on what they can do. You can't play both Jeff and Conor in the same team, both like to get forward whenever possible, when 1 plays you need a holding midfielder to keep the shape in midfield (Ideally would be someone like Meyler or McCarthy) but this is what MON fails to understand. And he's supposedly the UEFA licensed football manager but even a dope like me can recognise. More evidence on this - Burnley have 2 #10's in their squad, Jeff and Ashley Westwood, but the latter is preferred, you'd never see them in the same lineup, they're rotated in and out to play alongside Defour or Cork is the person who stays back to keep the shape of the Burnley midfield while Jeff/Westwood push forward. Jeff has his major flaws, he likes to disappear from games when things aren't going in his teams favour for both Ireland and Burnley. But the constant criticism for being told to play in a role/system he's not familiar in got boring by the end of 2016, and we're almost in 2019.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 5:45am |
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This lad is blessed all the attention has been on O’Neill, has any player in a Ireland jersey had more terrible (non existent) performances in succession? I doubt it
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Hans Moleman
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@Coyne, I agree that the teams setup is hindering everybody. I've said this numerous times on player related threads here. Hendrick simply isn't much good though either way. I've seen him countless times with Burnley, and I know they also aren't the most beautiful football side, so if you're an attacking midfielder maybe it's tough there, but in most games I've seen you'd barely notice Hendrick on the pitch. He's always the one guy out there who seems removed from the play.
I just don't get why lads think he's that good.
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Until o Neill goes we can’t judge any footballer
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Hans Moleman
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Surely we can judge players on their club form, or lack of form?
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"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Ok Jeff here we go . Look before i start i am not a fan of him but if i put that apart and look at him in the clear light of day then this is what i think . For Ireland he has gone backwards i always look for Clarets on the pitch when Ireland are playing and kind of focus on them . I am really not sure what position is his best to be honest to me as a defending center Mid hes disappears as put him more forward then he is not good enough at international level . MON loves him for some reason and will always have him in the team . On Thursday i saw him early on and then again around 85th minute , where was he in between ? This is the question which is aimed at him by Irish and Claret fans alike . Now at Burnley in his first season he had a decent season as a whole but the problem what Dyche has is where to play him . It's like he is a special teams person where they roll him out in different positions depending on who we are playing , like Liverpool away sit in front of the back four Fulham at home he will play # 10( now he is not a number ten ) that's for sure . Burnley fans are kind of split as they bitch at each other ( they should all come on YBIG ) as it's kind of 40% like him the others don't . I do think he looks better sitting in front of the defence I don't think he will play most games from here on this season i expect Dyche will buy in January when the window opens for someone in his position just a hunch . Burnley have better players than him in midfield so i expect to see him on the bench for most of the season just playing bit parts not unless someone gets injured then he will get more starts . For me it's just like the hot spud he will do his best to avoid it , that's what i see if he can keep away from the ball he will not make a mistake that's the reason why so many of us keep saying " he gos missing in games " Will he be sold by Burnley , hard to say as Dyche sees him as a player that can do a job in different areas so i would say not .
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I was at every game in France and bar the first one against Sweden I couldn’t understand all the hype and rave reviews he was getting at the time. He has been absolutely awful since that game against Sweden
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Surely we’d be aswell giving Daniel Crowley a game in Hendrick’s place?
O’Neill will argue that Crowley won’t track back or offer enough in defence but Hendrick never tracks back anyway so we wouldn’t be losing much.
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Would be as well giving Carrie Crowley a game in his place.
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It’s like playing with ten men except he gives the ball away to the opposing team in dangerous areas so it’s worse than being a man down.
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I've been cynical about the cries to call Crowley up, more about what they are based on than his actual ability as I haven't seen him in a while, but by the process of elimination, if nothing else, he should be in the squad.
Jeff has proved his ineptitude. Hourihane doesn't look good enough, nor does Browne. O'Dowda has shown glimpses but is really a winger... The list goes on. Give him a chance. In fact, give anyone who looks remotely capable of creativity a chance. We should have been doing that from the start of this tournament really, but the qualifiers are the ideal time. We aren't going to qualify with this mob, what's there to lose?
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Agree, he can't be much worse.
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