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Balf.airy wrote: Can i ask a question. How do they think that more people will come to ireland because of her vist. As I said I am in favour of the visit. Just wondering how it will work that people will visit Ireland on the back of it and how they add all those people to visit up to roughly 30m or 50m.

And the fact that the €30m is the cost of security. Shop owners and retailers and service providers that depend on the public being able to freely roam the streets are not considered in this at all and I think is sickening.

The disruption this visit has caused to many people's lives and the economic cost is enough of a reason for her never to return.

SA where are you getting your stats from?

The GerK wrote: Siralex wrote: Gerard - are you saying that Justice's great point is that The Queen should apologise for the bombings - and do you seriously think she should too?  Seriously? I think apologies should be made for EVERY injustice ever served.  I've had this conversation a couple of times in the last week, and some people's notion of 'Should the Japanese people apologise to China' as a way to back up that the queen should not apologise this week, and all that added nonsense, kind of makes sense, but means sfa in any scheme.   The thing is, Eamon Gilmore was on the money ahead of this visit: "There is a difference between what a head of state says and what the head of a government says, and I think that we shouldn't expect the head of a state, which in many ways is a kind of ceremonial role, to do the kind of things which are more appropriate for people in government." If the Irish people are hung up on an apology for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, surely they should seek that from the David Cameron?  This 'apology' argument is one that surely has received most laughs in pubs during discussions this week.  I'm hearing from embarrassed journalists covering this this week that questions being put to Royalists and experts this week about an apology are being met with baffled looks and a real sense of 'what the f**k'.  I'm hearing second hand from one of my best mates (a good friend of his is covering this visit) that he is hugely embarrassed by some of teh questionning going on. (Although, I have to admit, there is still big speculation among Irish journalists that some sort of 'apology' or mention of past atrocities could be mentioned at some point by The Queen).  I agree with ye Ger that it's time to build bridges...definitely.  I think this visit is a huge bridge.  I just wish more than 82 per cent of Irish people were in favour of this visit.  Or, on the other hand, I wish the other 18 percent could justify in any way a reason to oppose the visit. Ireland is a country very, very proud of it's past and I celebrate that, I do.  I just think as long as we go in search of retribution, we'll find it very hard as a nation to move forward.  And moving forward is exactly what's required. BTW, the Americans are making many a joke in our direction for the coverage of the Queen's visit on CNN. They can't seem to justify or understand the reason for the staunch republicans being against this visit.....but then again, neither can the staunch republicans.  I understand the sensitive nature of this debate - I just wish it wasn't such a sensitive issue.  So I'll leave my views at that. There are 30 million reason to oppose her visit And that is not factoring in the losses businesses will incur this week I'm with Balf.airy, I can't see how this is going to kick start some sort or tourism boom

horsebox wrote: SA where are you getting your stats from?   As I am just watching Adam Boulton on Sky news who said that 1 on 3 were opposed to the visit.

Kerrzy wrote: RogerMilla wrote: BigPodge wrote: The GerK wrote: In fact, Justice has proven himself to be the most intelligent person on this forum so he deserves that bit of respect     i actually couldnt fit enough smillies into a page to cover that one !   and sir alex for once in his life is spot on with his analysis here His analysis is 1 dimensional and has already been pointed out a couple of times his "statistics" are full of flaws.

Edited by Siralex - 17 May 2011 at 8:10am

Siralex wrote: Kerrzy wrote: RogerMilla wrote: BigPodge wrote: The GerK wrote: In fact, Justice has proven himself to be the most intelligent person on this forum so he deserves that bit of respect     i actually couldnt fit enough smillies into a page to cover that one !   and sir alex for once in his life is spot on with his analysis here His analysis is 1 dimensional and has already been pointed out a couple of times his "statistics" are full of flaws. You make me laugh Kerzy. Right, time for lunch!

Proven wrong again

Balf.airy wrote: Can i ask a question. How do they think that more people will come to ireland because of her vist. As I said I am in favour of the visit. Just wondering how it will work that people will visit Ireland on the back of it and how they add all those people to visit up to roughly 30m or 50m.

It's a strange one to work out alright Balf.airy, would be interested to see the breakdown of their figures too.

The £30m isn't being sent out of the country, the money is being spent on Garda overtime, a bit of road maintenance, probably a few tins of paint, sercurity barrier companies etc. The vast majority of the money will go to Irish people and businesses who will in turn get taxed on it, and the bit that is left over they will spend in their local communities. The way people are going on you'd thing the Irish Government were giving Liz and Phil a big sack of money to encourage them to visit.

Kerrzy wrote: Siralex wrote: Kerrzy wrote: RogerMilla wrote: BigPodge wrote: The GerK wrote: In fact, Justice has proven himself to be the most intelligent person on this forum so he deserves that bit of respect     i actually couldnt fit enough smillies into a page to cover that one !   and sir alex for once in his life is spot on with his analysis here His analysis is 1 dimensional and has already been pointed out a couple of times his "statistics" are full of flaws. You make me laugh Kerzy. Right, time for lunch! Proven wrong again