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Originally posted by Barna Bee Barna Bee wrote:

As a young fella I supported Liverpool but when this tragedy unfolded across the TV screen from Belgium I fell away from footbal completely, not just Liverpool but all football, for years I hated it .

Only in the last 15 years have i come back to the fold, now supporting both Spurs and Ireland !

I am not joking or sl*gging when I say Heysel wrecked everything for me back then . I was trully shoked by The Liverpool Fans .

As far as i'm concerned they never apologised and when they did it was way too late . To be honest i take all this Justtice for the 96 with a very large pinch of salt. Liverpool FC of all clubs should have understood about justice .....so saying sorry to Everton ....big deal Kenny et al....say sorry to the families of the 39 crushed becasue of the charge of your clubs fans !!! that would be more like it 

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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Originally posted by Barna Bee Barna Bee wrote:

As a young fella I supported Liverpool but when this tragedy unfolded across the TV screen from Belgium I fell away from footbal completely, not just Liverpool but all football, for years I hated it .

Only in the last 15 years have i come back to the fold, now supporting both Spurs and Ireland !

I am not joking or sl*gging when I say Heysel wrecked everything for me back then . I was trully shoked by The Liverpool Fans .

As far as i'm concerned they never apologised and when they did it was way too late . To be honest i take all this Justtice for the 96 with a very large pinch of salt. Liverpool FC of all clubs should have understood about justice .....so saying sorry to Everton ....big deal Kenny et al....say sorry to the families of the 39 crushed becasue of the charge of your clubs fans !!! that would be more like it 

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Juventus got their apology for the riots in 2005. Liverpool laid out the red carpet for them for the Anfield leg. It wasn't appreciated and in the second leg in Turin, Juve fans hunted for more trouble, and had their own riot before the game. 

Before the 84 Final, Liverpool fans were repeatedly assaulted in Rome and even today, fans of English clubs are often attacked when their team plays games in Italy. The most recent been Spurs fans when they played Lazio in Rome. In 1985, hooliganism was rampant among English fans in Europe. There were many riots in stadiums and widespread destruction away from the stadiums. The difference with Heysel was the stadium was fundamentally unsafe, and so the wall gave way. No walls give way during the most violent riots today. UEFA were warned not to have a neutral section separating the fans on the same terrace. They failed to heed the warning, and mayhem erupted on the night. 

It could just as easily have been Liverpool fans on that wall. The easy thing to do was to put the entire blame for what happened at Liverpool's door, and UEFA duly did, when it was easily preventable in advance. Today, UEFA still sell tickets for Neutral zones at finals and championships. So they still haven't learned their own lessons from Heysel. 
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Juventus got their apology for the riots in 2005. Liverpool laid out the red carpet for them for the Anfield leg. It wasn't appreciated and in the second leg in Turin, Juve fans hunted for more trouble, and had their own riot before the game. 

Before the 84 Final, Liverpool fans were repeatedly assaulted in Rome and even today, fans of English clubs are often attacked when their team plays games in Italy. The most recent been Spurs fans when they played Lazio in Rome. In 1985, hooliganism was rampant among English fans in Europe. There were many riots in stadiums and widespread destruction away from the stadiums. The difference with Heysel was the stadium was fundamentally unsafe, and so the wall gave way. No walls give way during the most violent riots today. UEFA were warned not to have a neutral section separating the fans on the same terrace. They failed to heed the warning, and mayhem erupted on the night. 

It could just as easily have been Liverpool fans on that wall. The easy thing to do was to put the entire blame for what happened at Liverpool's door, and UEFA duly did, when it was easily preventable in advance. Today, UEFA still sell tickets for Neutral zones at finals and championships. So they still haven't learned their own lessons from Heysel. 

But that's the point the article is trying to make.20 years later is a long time. I completely agree with your post about UEFA. Their negligence was and overreaction was disgraceful. They used Heysel as an excuse to make an example of English teams instead of getting their own house in order. It was a long time coming when Liverpool took responsibility for their 'fans' part in it but certainly the responsibility for the disaster shouldn't fall solely at Liverpool's door either


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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Juventus got their apology for the riots in 2005. Liverpool laid out the blood stained carpet for them for the Anfield leg. It wasn't appreciated and in the second leg in Turin, Juve fans hunted for more trouble, and had their own riot before the game. 

Before the 84 Final, Liverpool fans were repeatedly assaulted in Rome and even today, fans of English clubs are often attacked when their team plays games in Italy. The most recent been Spurs fans when they played Lazio in Rome. In 1985, hooliganism was rampant among English fans in Europe. There were many riots in stadiums and widespread destruction away from the stadiums. The difference with Heysel was the stadium was fundamentally unsafe, and so the wall gave way when Juve fled to escape being attacked by drunken scum. No walls give way during the most violent riots today. UEFA were warned not to have a neutral section separating the fans on the same terrace. They failed to heed the warning, and mayhem erupted on the night. 

It could just as easily have been Liverpool fans on that wall. The easy thing to do was to put the entire blame for what happened at Liverpool's door, and UEFA duly did, when it was easily preventable in advance. Today, UEFA still sell tickets for Neutral zones at finals and championships. So they still haven't learned their own lessons from Heysel. 
 
Simple Fact - If Liverpool fans had not charged at the Juve fans, this would not have happened and those people would not have perished. Despite the state of the ground, it was still down to animalistic behaviour that caused those Deaths. Don't go looking for someone else to blame. It's never your fault, my arse.


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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Simple Fact - If Liverpool fans had not charged at the Juve fans, this would not have happened. Despite the state of the ground, it was still down to animalistic behaviour that caused those Deaths. Don't go looking for someone else to blame. It's never your fault.
I think the point he's making is that this behaviour happened week in week out across England every Saturday afternoon and across Europe whenever England or English teams played.
 
That night a wall collapsed and tragedy happened.
It could have happened before but didnt same as Hillsborough could have happened numerouis times before it actually did.
 
I dont think he is excusing Liverpool fans behaviour at all.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Simple Fact - If Liverpool fans had not charged at the Juve fans, this would not have happened. Despite the state of the ground, it was still down to animalistic behaviour that caused those Deaths. Don't go looking for someone else to blame. It's never your fault.
I think the point he's making is that this behaviour happened week in week out across England every Saturday afternoon and across Europe whenever England or English teams played.
 
That night a wall collapsed and tragedy happened.
It could have happened before but didnt same as Hillsborough could have happened numerouis times before it actually did.
 
I dont think he is excusing Liverpool fans behaviour at all.
 

That's a legitimate point but the fact was Liverpool as a club took a long time to address it (out of shame or whatever reason), and fully acknowledge their fans own role in it. To just say "a wall collapsed and tragedy happened" belies the fact of what caused the wall to collapse in the first place 
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Originally posted by corkery corkery wrote:


Juventus fans's view on it all.

They're really paying tribute to the families of the 39 there.Unhappy Dirtbags 


 




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The wall collapsed because the stadium was fundamentally unsafe and not fit for purpose. They even admit it in the article. 

How UEFA felt it was ok, to allocate a "Neutral Zone" to "separate" teams from two of the worst countries for hooliganism at the time, knowing that local fans of both sides would buy tickets for that section, beggars belief. 

I think it's common knowledge also, that there were fans of other English clubs in the Liverpool section. And at the time, they were only at games for one reason. 
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by corkery corkery wrote:


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That's fairly disgraceful in fairness.

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the banner is in very bad taste, but they're 100% right to tell liverpool to get f**ked with their friendship banner and red carpet gesture 20 years after the event. Their lack of empathy for Hillsborough is understandable, but this banner is too far. 

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the banner is in very bad taste, but they're 100% right to tell liverpool to get f**ked with their friendship and red carpet gesture 20 years after the event. Their lack of empathy for Hillsborough is understandable, but this banner is too far. 
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

The wall collapsed because the stadium was fundamentally unsafe and not fit for purpose. They even admit it in the article. 

How UEFA felt it was ok, to allocate a "Neutral Zone" to "separate" teams from two of the worst countries for hooliganism at the time, knowing that local fans of both sides would buy tickets for that section, beggars belief. 

I think it's common knowledge also, that there were fans of other English clubs in the Liverpool section. And at the time, they were only at games for one reason. 
 
The wall collapsed due to the extreme pressure applied from the weight of people pushed against it trying to escape being attacked.
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The collapse of the wall relived pressure and therefore saved more people from being crushed.
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