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TonyNotJack
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The oddest thing about that group was Israel. Never thought they were up to that much. Every time they played one of the big guns I felt this is where they get their comeuppance. Yet, every time they seemed to somehow scramble another draw like the game here when they were really outplayed. Weird team and one of the most annoying goalkeepers we ever faced.
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Dudu prick.
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Dudu still hate that ****
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It wasn't the Israel game that was the most galling of the 04/05 campaign because 8 times out 10, Ireland would beat Israel in those circumstances, but that last game at home to Switzerland. If ever there was a time to be fired up and go for it, that was the game, and yet the team delivered the quintessential, depressingly conservative performance against a Swiss side who may have been reasonably well-organised but certainly no world-beaters. And I lay the blame squarely at the players' feet for that. If you can't have a go there, you don't deserve to be at the World Cup.
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BriMurt
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Kerr was probably looking for something different, but the team as a whole played in a disinterested fashion, so there wasn't much service for a fresh striker to take advantage of anyway.
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His time as manager should have absolute no impact on how people take his views on current performances though. Kerr is there because he is someone who genuinely understands the game, when he gives his opinion and it is negative or critical you have people shouting about him not doing any better, which is completely irrelevant.
I do think though, as I have said before, that he does enjoy leaving the boot in a bit and needs to harness his own bitterness towards the FAI.
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It was all a bit surreal that game. I was very young at the time but i remember feeling there wasnt a big match feeling about the game in the stands, like say there was when we lost 1-0 to France. We played as though we were already through or already out. It was almost like a friendly. I'll never forget 'Congratulations Switzerland' coming up on the scoreboard almost before the ref had even put the final whistle to his lips
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BriMurt
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It's not the big teams or little teams I dread to see Ireland playing, but that opposition which is more or less an even match. It is against these teams that Ireland so often fail to perform. If you could hypnotise Ireland to believe that they're the out and out underdog in every game, they'd probably likely have qualified for more stuff than they have.
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I'll never forget that Dudu prick punching Andy O'Brien in the face which, somehow got O'Brien sent off.
The 2 draws with Israel were a killer, we would have topped the group with wins. As for the 0-0 with Switzerland, that was a real low point. I think Ian Harte had the only notable chance of the game after about 10 minutes and the rest of the match was dire! Kerr had a very good tarting 11 but we had no strength in depth those days. Remember a certain Jon Macken getting a cap!?
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The notion was aswell the players were bored with the level of detail and preparation he went into before games. Hence He couldnt get them fired up.
Theres a stark Irony here somewhere but suffice to say it wasnt footballing matters that were his downfall but maybe his personell management skills. Does anyone remember him having to stand up for Keane for coming home late during match week?
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BriMurt
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If players need someone to fire them up for a crucial WC qualifying game, then they're even bigger prima donnas than I thought. The situation should be all the impetus needed. It was a game that was a real slap in the face to the notion of the Irish spirit. Spirit they have when things are going well, maybe. But when the chips are down? That's when it really counts. Brian Kerr may have been a negative manager, but there's no way he instructed them to play the turgid football they did on that night.
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Decent point for your lot back then. |
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The thing with Kerr was the team seemed to show no spirit at all. Very flat performances. Eg. Switzerland away 2003, home 2005, France 2005...
Now the players were definitely at fault too. I heard they hated the team meetings and didnt bother watching the DVDs Kerr gave them to watch on the opposition and wanted the party days back. It was too serious for them. I find that pathetic for professionals tbh. That's why they were initially pleased when Stan got the job and brought back the ''feel good factor'' (ha!) as it was called at the time. He brought back Tony Hickey and they all hopped on him when we beat Sweden 3-0. Stan was going to bring back the ways of Jack. Despite what Dunphy says on RTE I find the Irish players unprofessional. Ok they usually give their all (most of the time) but there is definitely a culture of liking to come over for interntional duty and having a piss up. They don't like being professional. They were in coppers after the Austria match. I see them in there after nearly every match. That's a joke tbh. I suppose Kerr had Keane, Duff, Given, Dunne at their very best form. Duff was at Chelsea, Dunne player of the year at City, Given in top form, Keane banging them in at Spurs. They were all very mediocre when they played for Eire under Kerr. |
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thinking back to that time, i dont think dunne ever played in a competitive game under kerr. it was always breen and cunningham in the euro qualfiers , then andy o'brien replaced breen for the 06 campaign.
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BriMurt
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Nothing wrong with having a pint after a single game international weekend. If they were getting pissed in between games of a double header, that's more of a problem. However, I'd say you have as much chance of removing the drink culture from the team's mentality as you would eliminating the long ball approach. But for perspective, do other international teams have a very strict approach to how their players behave in between games? I seem to remember a shot of the German team disembarking from their plane at the last WC and Ozil being photographed with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. Makes me wonder how strictly other teams police their players and how much it's a factor. Have any of us ever watched Ireland play and gone, "Yeah, they look hungover. That's why they're 1-nil down."? |
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