You Boys in Green Homepage YBIG Shop
Forum Home Forum Home : International : Republic Of Ireland
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Mick McCarthy
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Mick McCarthy

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 99100101102103 104>
Author
Message
pre Madonna View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
I am MALDING

Joined: 30 Nov 2014
Location: Trumpton
Status: Offline
Points: 44659
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pre Madonna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2020 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

The O'Neill era should have ended with the 5-1 defeat to Denmark. That was the time to bring in Kenny and allow him to rebuild the team during the Nations League games.

But O'Neill carried on and the team began to zombify. It was emergency time and Mick was brought in to stop the rot. And that's what he did. In international football it's easy to get into a rut and not get out of it for a generation.

You can say that Ireland were guaranteed third place anyway, but there is a massive difference between being only a win away from automatic qualification and being out of it half-way through the campaign with nothing to play for.

Could Kenny have turned things around like that? We'll never know, but a League of Ireland manager is going to be under greater pressure from the fans and media, and the dressing room, than a manager who has worked elsewhere. Mick could be dropped into the deep end, brush off all of the criticism, and get on with it.

Now Kenny inherits a stable team and he also has the experience of working with the younger players. In a round about way, things may have worked out for the best.
There isn't a massive difference for Ireland,  because we were never, ever going to beat one of the top two, but there is a massive difference for Mick as he gets to keep a semblance of reputation by saying how close we were. In reality we were miles off, no matter what we say.
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Terzino View Drop Down
500 Club la la la
500 Club la la la


Joined: 06 Apr 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 646
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Terzino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2020 at 4:47pm
Switzerland were the best team in the group by a distance. Denmark getting four points off of them was pure thievery.

However we were not miles off of Denmark. In all the games we've played against them recently, only O'Neill's bizarre half-time show saw them win against us. They are certainly no great shakes.

Mick gets to keep his reputation because we went from being an unrecognisable Irish team back to being what we expect from Ireland.

After our victory in Vienna the team went on a serious slide.


O'Neill's last 20 games

.........P....W....D....L....F....A

........20....4....8....8...14...23


McCarthy's Record

.........P....W....D....L....F....A

.........10....5....4....1....13....7


Overall that's a good job from Mick.
Back to Top
Baldrick View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
Peyton-tly Pedantic

Joined: 18 Sep 2008
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 32517
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baldrick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2020 at 4:49pm
3 of those wins were against Gibraltar twice and Georgia at home .  Other two are friendlies.

Edited by Baldrick - 21 May 2020 at 4:49pm
AKA pedantic kunt
Back to Top
Terzino View Drop Down
500 Club la la la
500 Club la la la


Joined: 06 Apr 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 646
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Terzino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2020 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

3 of those wins were against Gibraltar twice and Georgia at home .  Other two are friendlies.

That's right. 

But of the other games only Switzerland away and Georgia away were poor performances. The rest were decent to good. 

Previously we had been getting below par performances as standard.
Back to Top
pre Madonna View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
I am MALDING

Joined: 30 Nov 2014
Location: Trumpton
Status: Offline
Points: 44659
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pre Madonna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2020 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

Switzerland were the best team in the group by a distance. Denmark getting four points off of them was pure thievery.

However we were not miles off of Denmark. In all the games we've played against them recently, only O'Neill's bizarre half-time show saw them win against us. They are certainly no great shakes.

Mick gets to keep his reputation because we went from being an unrecognisable Irish team back to being what we expect from Ireland.

After our victory in Vienna the team went on a serious slide.


O'Neill's last 20 games

.........P....W....D....L....F....A

........20....4....8....8...14...23


McCarthy's Record

.........P....W....D....L....F....A

.........10....5....4....1....13....7


Overall that's a good job from Mick.
The only game where they really needed to beat us, they did. They needed a draw in Dublin and comfortably got it. Complacency cost them at home. The NL games were seen as good results for them. In fact, the only result they would be disappointed with is the 1-1 in Copenhagen and that is the only result we were happy with; bar maybe the scoreless dead rubber.
Back to Top
irishmufc View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
I love Vulvas

Joined: 09 Aug 2011
Location: Dublin
Status: Offline
Points: 24975
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote irishmufc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2020 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The biggest problem isn't really his, but it is  the fact that we could have had no manager at all and still finished third and anybody could see we were going to finish third, so the fact there was absolutely no preparation for the play-offs, that we all knew we were going to get, meant a waste of two years.

It was also predictable that there would be 'what ifs' and we would talk about a missed chance here and there, but we were never in a million years going to beat Denmark at home and the fact we got a point over there is a massive stain on the Danes themselves. They should have thumped us.

What do you mean by no preparation for the play-offs? As predictable as finishing third was, we could hardly prepare for a play-off against unknown opposition in an undetermined location while still involved in qualifiers that could have - against all odds - put us through automatically. Did I read you right?
By building a team capable of playing football against sides around us. Introducing some of the 21s and trying to get a style might have given us some hope. We had a fair idea that the standard of the opposition was going to be weaker than Switzerland or Denmark, but we have spent two years ploughing on with the same tactics and players. The qualifiers were a free shot to try some things out, but by appointing a safe pair of hands like Mick, and giving him the impression that we must try and qualify at all costs, he was always going to try and get us as close as possible. He was given little alternative. 
The blame, as ever, lies with those that appointed him.

Muff: I felt we should have been beaten out the gate. The Danes assumed we wouldn't score and started strolling about after they scored. We deserved credit for keeping ourselves in it and getting a decent result, but it was absolutely dreadful from Denmark. 

They certainly should've won both games not to mention the two Nations League fixtures. We were lucky to get 4 draws in all those games. 
Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
Back to Top
planning View Drop Down
Ray Houghton
Ray Houghton

Football version of Comical Ali.

Joined: 17 Mar 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 3836
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote planning Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2020 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

Switzerland were the best team in the group by a distance. Denmark getting four points off of them was pure thievery.

However we were not miles off of Denmark. In all the games we've played against them recently, only O'Neill's bizarre half-time show saw them win against us. They are certainly no great shakes.

Mick gets to keep his reputation because we went from being an unrecognisable Irish team back to being what we expect from Ireland. 

We were in a three average team shootout for qualification, and we finished third. It's not a good campaign, it's not a bad campaign. It's mediocrity, and it wasn't good enough. Unlike every other group, those who finished above us have no hope of winning the competition. 
Back to Top
Hans Moleman View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane
Avatar
Muff: That is a lie and you are a liar

Joined: 09 Aug 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 10199
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hans Moleman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2020 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The biggest problem isn't really his, but it is  the fact that we could have had no manager at all and still finished third and anybody could see we were going to finish third, so the fact there was absolutely no preparation for the play-offs, that we all knew we were going to get, meant a waste of two years.

It was also predictable that there would be 'what ifs' and we would talk about a missed chance here and there, but we were never in a million years going to beat Denmark at home and the fact we got a point over there is a massive stain on the Danes themselves. They should have thumped us.
 
Have you been watching a different Denmark to the rest of us? Perhaps with so much old football on the box over the past while you've confused the current crop with the '86 or '92 vintage?
 
I'd agree it was always unlikely but the bit in bold is Moleman-esque hyperbole.

It wasn't unlikely, we were never ever going to win a match against the Swiss or Danes in the group. Our intention was to play non football and pray that some mathematical freak results elsewhere would see us automatically qualify. That was the entire plan, non football of the most toxic level.

Away to the Danes we should have been battered. We were battered against the Swiss away in one of the most comical managerial displays ever seen (a display making MON mental collapse against the Danes at Lansdowne in the World Cup playoff look like a Rinus Michels masterclass). At home to the Swiss, we were playing a flat back 10 at times for the first 45 minutes. We got away with only being 1 down until the last 10 mins and we rescued a draw with a late flurry.

At home to the Danes was nothing short of appalling, just f*cking poisonous. We had no intent on trying to win the game from the off, the plan was to play for a 0-0 until 75 to 80 mins where we could throw a few tall lads up front and hope to scramble a win. As it turned out, the Danes went ahead and knew no matter how badly they played. we had no possible way of scoring 2 goals. Make no bones about it btw, the Danes did play about as badly as they ever could on that night at Lansdowne and we offered sweet f.airy all even after getting the late equaliser.

The campaign was nothing short of rotten. I'm guessing in the end that we have just witnessed that campaign from the most expensively assembled Irish management team in history. That utter sh*te is what we got for millions upon millions, and will be paying off for years to come at the detriment of the growth of football in this country.

So you can take your hyperbole comment and basically suck my ballbag. The biggest load of tripe and hyperbole consistently spouted on here in recent times is the Kenny playing like Brazil line, just poison. I suppose we had to move on from the previous years tripe that our Mick was a great appointment and would have Ireland back playing attacking football.  
"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
Back to Top
foggy.nelson View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady


Joined: 25 Sep 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 1034
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote foggy.nelson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2020 at 8:16am
Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The biggest problem isn't really his, but it is  the fact that we could have had no manager at all and still finished third and anybody could see we were going to finish third, so the fact there was absolutely no preparation for the play-offs, that we all knew we were going to get, meant a waste of two years.

It was also predictable that there would be 'what ifs' and we would talk about a missed chance here and there, but we were never in a million years going to beat Denmark at home and the fact we got a point over there is a massive stain on the Danes themselves. They should have thumped us.
 
Have you been watching a different Denmark to the rest of us? Perhaps with so much old football on the box over the past while you've confused the current crop with the '86 or '92 vintage?
 
I'd agree it was always unlikely but the bit in bold is Moleman-esque hyperbole.

It wasn't unlikely, we were never ever going to win a match against the Swiss or Danes in the group. Our intention was to play non football and pray that some mathematical freak results elsewhere would see us automatically qualify. That was the entire plan, non football of the most toxic level.

Away to the Danes we should have been battered. We were battered against the Swiss away in one of the most comical managerial displays ever seen (a display making MON mental collapse against the Danes at Lansdowne in the World Cup playoff look like a Rinus Michels masterclass). At home to the Swiss, we were playing a flat back 10 at times for the first 45 minutes. We got away with only being 1 down until the last 10 mins and we rescued a draw with a late flurry.

At home to the Danes was nothing short of appalling, just f*cking poisonous. We had no intent on trying to win the game from the off, the plan was to play for a 0-0 until 75 to 80 mins where we could throw a few tall lads up front and hope to scramble a win. As it turned out, the Danes went ahead and knew no matter how badly they played. we had no possible way of scoring 2 goals. Make no bones about it btw, the Danes did play about as badly as they ever could on that night at Lansdowne and we offered sweet f.airy all even after getting the late equaliser.

The campaign was nothing short of rotten. I'm guessing in the end that we have just witnessed that campaign from the most expensively assembled Irish management team in history. That utter sh*te is what we got for millions upon millions, and will be paying off for years to come at the detriment of the growth of football in this country.

So you can take your hyperbole comment and basically suck my ballbag. The biggest load of tripe and hyperbole consistently spouted on here in recent times is the Kenny playing like Brazil line, just poison. I suppose we had to move on from the previous years tripe that our Mick was a great appointment and would have Ireland back playing attacking football.  

Can you show one instance where this was actually said, or anything like this.
Back to Top
McG View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
SISAO? What the hell is SISAO?

Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Location: Christmas Island
Status: Offline
Points: 26924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote McG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 8:27pm
Commentating on the Swansea game. Swansea score late and he encourages them to go for another in his commentary. 

Da fuq. Come off it now Mick and this was said with his "manager hat on" LOL
YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017
AS YOU WERE McGx

Back to Top
Shedite View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton
Avatar

Joined: 09 Dec 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 9795
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shedite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:15pm
His commentary today was awful, very petty stuff, made a lot of comments belitling the new style of football, how we need to get balls in the box, how Ireland only score through crosses etc. In some ways, he was probably put in a bad position commentating on a team he had just left, sky shouldn't have had him there. Very glad we're rid of him if that's how he feels about football.
Back to Top
Dots1982 View Drop Down
Kevin Kilbane
Kevin Kilbane


Joined: 09 Sep 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 468
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dots1982 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

His commentary today was awful, very petty stuff, made a lot of comments belitling the new style of football, how we need to get balls in the box, how Ireland only score through crosses etc. In some ways, he was probably put in a bad position commentating on a team he had just left, sky shouldn't have had him there. Very glad we're rid of him if that's how he feels about football.

Why would you expect sky not to want the former manager to do the comm?

Mick said Ireland can only score from crosses? Where did he get such a bizarre idea?


Edited by Dots1982 - 11 Oct 2020 at 9:21pm
Back to Top
50%lesssugar&salt View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady


Joined: 02 Sep 2017
Status: Offline
Points: 1230
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 50%lesssugar&salt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:25pm
Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

His commentary today was awful, very petty stuff, made a lot of comments belitling the new style of football, how we need to get balls in the box, how Ireland only score through crosses etc. In some ways, he was probably put in a bad position commentating on a team he had just left, sky shouldn't have had him there. Very glad we're rid of him if that's how he feels about football.

Wouldn't say it was awful but the commentary in general was very poor. The commentator seemed to go missing for large chunks and there were needless silences. All three missed Molumby's run. Danny and Mick having the polite chats was ok but didn't really lend anything to what was going on with the game. I don't think it is appropriate for Mick to be doing co-commentary so close to his own exit.

Phil Babb speaking again about 'Duffer' also grated. The whole sky experience reminds me how lucky we are to have George Hamilton. I am even warming to Richie Sadlier. 
Back to Top
DeclanDaly View Drop Down
Ray Houghton
Ray Houghton
Avatar

Joined: 17 Oct 2013
Location: Boston, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 3254
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote DeclanDaly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:29pm
I havent heard the commentary from today’s game, but i haven’t heard anything like that from McCarthy either during the Bulgaria game, in his media work, or when he was manager. In fact, I’ve only ever heard him say good stuff about Kenny.

Bit of wishful thinking sometimes when people imagine McCarthy as some kind of arsehole. Anybody who knows him will tell you he is a very decent and fair-minded man.
You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive:
I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995"
Back to Top
Trap junior View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom

Joined: 25 Jan 2010
Location: Irish Riviera
Status: Online
Points: 39509
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trap junior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

I havent heard the commentary from today’s game, but i haven’t heard anything like that from McCarthy either during the Bulgaria game, in his media work, or when he was manager. In fact, I’ve only ever heard him say good stuff about Kenny.

Bit of wishful thinking sometimes when people imagine McCarthy as some kind of arsehole. Anybody who knows him will tell you he is a very decent and fair-minded man.


Basically he has got the hump because the commentators keep mentioning moving on the style of play and he is taking offence.

I was very surprised he took up the offer to commentate on our games.  I think he has done all of our games. Its a conflict of interest really.

Pied Piper to: Baldrick, Brendan 88, 9Fingers, Borussia and more...

97.6% chance this post will be replied to by Baldrick (source: PWC)
Back to Top
McG View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar
SISAO? What the hell is SISAO?

Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Location: Christmas Island
Status: Offline
Points: 26924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote McG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

I havent heard the commentary from today’s game, but i haven’t heard anything like that from McCarthy either during the Bulgaria game, in his media work, or when he was manager. In fact, I’ve only ever heard him say good stuff about Kenny.

Bit of wishful thinking sometimes when people imagine McCarthy as some kind of arsehole. Anybody who knows him will tell you he is a very decent and fair-minded man.


Basically he has got the hump because the commentators keep mentioning moving on the style of play and he is taking offence.

I was very surprised he took up the offer to commentate on our games.  I think he has done all of our games. Its a conflict of interest really.


Yeah far too imbalanced. 

They should get somebody impartial to do the job. Somebody like Martin ONeill would be good. 
YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017
AS YOU WERE McGx

Back to Top
darmack View Drop Down
Ray Houghton
Ray Houghton
Avatar

Joined: 24 Mar 2011
Location: Dublin
Status: Offline
Points: 4684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darmack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:37pm
The commentator mentioned something about their new style of play, and Mick came in with something along the lines of ‘it’s not too different to what they’re used to’. 
And then saying Shane Long would have been in his squads if he wasn’t injured. Think he just wasn’t picked for a few. 
The dark side.. And the light
Back to Top
Drumcondra 69er View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton


Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 7106
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Drumcondra 69er Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

I havent heard the commentary from today’s game, but i haven’t heard anything like that from McCarthy either during the Bulgaria game, in his media work, or when he was manager. In fact, I’ve only ever heard him say good stuff about Kenny.

Bit of wishful thinking sometimes when people imagine McCarthy as some kind of arsehole. Anybody who knows him will tell you he is a very decent and fair-minded man.

I didn't hear him on Thursday but heard him today and dunno what people are getting their knickers in a twist over. He was complimentary about Kenny. Said Ireland needed to get the ball into wide positions and get crosses in a few times. Wow. People are desperate to be offended these days and the social media echo chambers they spend their online time in exaggerate that tenfold. And it's far from unusual to have an ex manager commentating on his former team's game. 
Blog: A False First XI
Twitter: @afalsefirstxi
Facebook: A False First XI
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 99100101102103 104>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.00
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.