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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Seen something on Twitter that suggested there's a lot of people being influenced by the Ireland connection. If the exact same had happened to Warnock, no one would have cared less and probably agreed with the decision.

Hughton was very hard done by with the Newcastle but this one is possibly justified.

Brighton are a side that had spent four years of their entire existence in the top flight before he took them up. He's kept them up with the third lowest budget and a team that's basically Championship standard for what will now be three seasons. He also kept Norwich up previously and had Newcastle mid-tabe when they sacked him.

Neil Warnock has never kept a team in the top flight despite four attempts with four different clubs over the last 27 years. 

So not really a fair comparison, is it? 


Norwich is hardly a great example of his management skills. Granted, he did keep them up in his first season, but then went on to spend a fair bit of money on players that turned out to be wasters, played horrible football, and had fans furious. In other words, exactly the same thing that has happened at Brighton.

They finished 11th under him which is the 5th best season in their history. 

They were relegated after sacking him despite being clear of the bottom three when they pulled the trigger. Taken them till now to get back. 

Regardless, his PL record is streets ahead of Warnock which was the point. 
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finishing in 17th was their fourth best final position in their history, 15th last year was their second. Best ever was 13th in 1981/82
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

finishing in 17th was their fourth best final position in their history, 15th last year was their second. Best ever was 13th in 1981/82

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I don’t like the word “elitism”. I always feel it’s a catch-all cop out, but I feel it is entirely appropriate when discussing this particular case.

I notice that the fans of “minority” clubs, are broadly accepting of the decision, while the fans of bigger clubs seem to be aggrieved on behalf of CH. It’s easier as a fan of a smaller club to see a decline or a regression, as you see it manifesting itself week in and week out in performances and results. Let’s not forget, the result that made all the difference was a 1-1 home draw against Newcastle United, as opposed to any sort of a statement result. Equally, Fulham and Huddersfield were relegated some time ago, which gave them breathing space. But also, much of the success of this season was achieved pre Christmas. Afterwards, the number of points gained was very paltry indeed.

Fans of bigger clubs might look at the season and more of less default to the idea of “what do you expect.”. It relies on the slightly elitist idea that certain clubs should expect no more than safety, and be damn glad if it is achieved, and in this case a cup run puta gloss on it. But small clubs are the ones that struggle to get out of ruts. The goal of safety can be achieved by the “merry go round men” who have generally managed at all of the clubs outside of the Top 6 over the past decade. It is a generally achievable goal. But clubs are entitled to decide if their ambition is matched by the results on the pitch, and in the event there is a significant downward trajectory, they are entitled to move.

I saw Warnock being mentioned above as a comparison. I actually think a better comparison would be MoN/Roy who were at the helm when we qualified for Euro 2016 and World Cup 2018 Play Offs. One might argue that this was a country of small stature punching above its weight, that we should be unwaveringly grateful to both. However, the results and performances declined, and the football wasn’t at all pretty, and almost to a man, Irish fans were generally onboard with the decision taken in November 2018. At Brighton, the results had declined, the football wasn’t pretty, and while the outcome of safety may be deemed an achievement, there is a point to evaluating whether the form might carry on into next season.


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Sorry for Chris Hughton.

Good man who has kept a Championship club in the Premier League for another year. Bet Fulham fans wished he was managing them. They managed to achieve relegation in spite of the handicap of more money and a better squad. 
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

There's a bit of green tinted glasses stuff here I think, the football was well organised but dull, signings (though not clear if those were solely Hughton's signings) didn't work, they were lucky Fulham & Huddersfield proved as incapable as they did, plenty teams have been relegated with 36 points in the past. Glenn Murray's goals and little else kept them up this year, and at his age, those appearances and goals are likely to start diminishing fast enough. 

Hughton undoubtedly did a good job overall, and maybe it is a harsh decision, but one thing it isn't is a rash one. Tony Bloom is a professional gambler who uses algorithms & stats as the basis for most of his decisions, he's either after coming to the conclusion that some other manager (Potter maybe) is over-performing and wants to give him a go, or he has seen some downward trend(s) he doesn't think Hughton was capable of rectifying. He may prove to be completely incorrect about either of those things, but I suppose that's why him & his ilk are called gamblers. 

Bournemouth aren't a bad comparison budget & expectations wise, but Howe takes the risk of shipping some awful defeats trying to play decent football while knowing that on the days the football works well, he'll get his share of wins too- its a formula that has worked for him so far. You can kind of see Hassenhutil at Southampton has much the same idea. Hughton is cautious to the last and like a lot of the old school managers, starts out with the aim of not losing, winning is a bonus rather than the aim. 

The achievements of Pep, Klopp & Poch and the type of football those gents teams play are likely also influencing these owners, and certainly fans, if yer going to finish in the bottom half anyway, may as well make it look entertaining- Hughton couldn't be accused of that. Be a good manager for someone like Middlesborogh who are knocking on the door of playoffs the last few years but not genuine promotion contenders, Hughton has established a track record in that division, he'll be back shortly enough and likely prove successful as well. 

Bump because it's a great post.

Alot of people were saying the same thing when Southampton got rid of Adkins and brought Poch in, the chairman has higher ambitions and doesn't think Chris is the man for that. 

The stagnation and the poor big money signings were probably the biggest contributors in the decision making
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Totally agree. 

Form after Christmas is woeful. Once you are in a rut of losing every week it’s very hard to break that negative momentum. Get someone new in with fresh ideas.

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Linked with West Brom job.

Think that would be a good move for him
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Originally posted by Bham_McDermott Bham_McDermott wrote:

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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Linked with West Brom job.

Think that would be a good move for him

They will get promoted within two years and he will keep them up and then he will be sacked and they will think they can do better and don’t like the style. They will then be relegated rinse and repeat. . 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I don’t like the word “elitism”. I always feel it’s a catch-all cop out, but I feel it is entirely appropriate when discussing this particular case.

I notice that the fans of “minority” clubs, are broadly accepting of the decision, while the fans of bigger clubs seem to be aggrieved on behalf of CH. It’s easier as a fan of a smaller club to see a decline or a regression, as you see it manifesting itself week in and week out in performances and results. Let’s not forget, the result that made all the difference was a 1-1 home draw against Newcastle United, as opposed to any sort of a statement result. Equally, Fulham and Huddersfield were relegated some time ago, which gave them breathing space. But also, much of the success of this season was achieved pre Christmas. Afterwards, the number of points gained was very paltry indeed.

Fans of bigger clubs might look at the season and more of less default to the idea of “what do you expect.”. It relies on the slightly elitist idea that certain clubs should expect no more than safety, and be damn glad if it is achieved, and in this case a cup run puta gloss on it. But small clubs are the ones that struggle to get out of ruts. The goal of safety can be achieved by the “merry go round men” who have generally managed at all of the clubs outside of the Top 6 over the past decade. It is a generally achievable goal. But clubs are entitled to decide if their ambition is matched by the results on the pitch, and in the event there is a significant downward trajectory, they are entitled to move.

I saw Warnock being mentioned above as a comparison. I actually think a better comparison would be MoN/Roy who were at the helm when we qualified for Euro 2016 and World Cup 2018 Play Offs. One might argue that this was a country of small stature punching above its weight, that we should be unwaveringly grateful to both. However, the results and performances declined, and the football wasn’t at all pretty, and almost to a man, Irish fans were generally onboard with the decision taken in November 2018. At Brighton, the results had declined, the football wasn’t pretty, and while the outcome of safety may be deemed an achievement, there is a point to evaluating whether the form might carry on into next season.


That is a brilliant analogy on MoN/Roy and it is very hard to disagree with that post. Excellent post.
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Chris is favourite for the Sheffield Wednesday job.
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Chris getting linked with the Huddersfield job.
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Dead cert for that job id say 
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Neither of those clubs give him a genuine shot at promotion.....Huddersfield are in terminal decline with a poor squad and a new owner who won't bankroll a go at promotion.......Sheffield have a slightly better squad but hamstrung by finances
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