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Claret Murph
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Again with Chris getting sacked his name would come up as it was on the cards .
I would say the FAI know they have a manager in Kenny but things are not working out as well as they could be , do they stick or twist is their question . I would say at any one time the FAI have a list of people they would like to come in if things go pear shaped but who can they bring in under budget , sometimes someone who they like becomes avalible maybe this is the time who knows . One thing for sure is the fans don't pick the next manager the board does .
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Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days .
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Greenie50
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In Kenny's 16 games, because of Covid & injuries, he's had to use: 4 different GKs - Randolph, Travers, Bazunu, Kelleher 7 Full Backs/Wing Backs - Coleman, Doherty, Stevens, McClean, O'Shea, Christie, Manning 11 different CB configurations: Duffy-Egan Duffy-Long Duffy-Doherty Duffy-O'Shea Coleman-O'Shea-Clark Coleman-O'Shea-Stevens Coleman-Duffy-O'Shea O'Shea-Egan O'Shea-Duffy-Egan Omobamidele-Duffy-Egan Coleman-Duffy-Egan That's an enormous amount of upheaval, & a different manager wouldn't have come in & waved a magic wand to make Covid go away or heal our broken players. Edited by Greenie50 - 16 Sep 2021 at 12:46pm |
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You Tell Me
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He hasn't had to do half of that. Much of that was just chopping and changing in terms of selection and formation, not Covid or injuries.
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Greenie50
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Incorrect.
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I dont know if a full c&p of an Athletic article on the behind the scenes turmoil at Forest would be allowed but there were a number of quotes from it given by me in the Stephen Kenny thread yesterday
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Greenie50
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That's an unimpressive attempt to spin what would be a major issue in any team into something that suits your narrative.
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John Nice
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I posted this in the Kenny thread, but I'm going to post it here as well cos it took me time and I think it's relevant in light of some of the ill consdered criticism Kenny is getting here.
"I did a bit of research just for all the lads who think we should be beating Luxembourg home and away, just because you know, history and all that. Their 3 key players are Seb Thill (27yo MF 38 caps - 3 goals) who played 90 mins for Sheriff Tiraspol in their CL Group Stage victory over Shakhtar yesterday, Christopher Martins (24yo MF 46 caps- 1 goal) who played very well (I watched the game) in Young Boys 2-1 CL victory over Man United on Tuesday and Gerson Rodrigues (26yo MF/FW - 38 caps - 8 goals) who scored 7 in 38 (inc 2 in CL) for a Dinamo Kiev side who won the domestic double last season. He is now on loan at Troyes in Ligue Un. Their keeper (42 caps) plays in the top flight in Belgium (as does our own Josh Cullen), while they have others playing in the top flights in Germany, Holland, Austria, the Ukraine (including Thill's younger brother) and one in the English Championship (squad player at Huddersfield) I dont know whether its football snobbery or whether lads dont think football exists outside of England, but there's no reason on paper why we should automatically be beating such a team. Their players have a solid core of experience with 2 or 3 top quality players (arguably at a higher level than ours), while we have a very young team made up of a hotchpotch of PL squad players, and lads playing in the Championship, SPL and League One. Their FA has also been instrumental in putting together youth development programmes etc while our own has gone bust. This is not an attempt to make excuses for Kenny but some lads need a serious injection of realism as regards where our squad is at currently - the rest of Europe e.g. Iceland, Luxembourg etc have been quietly progressing for quite some time, while we have been going backwards. It's time to arrest that slide and imo an old school pragmatic manager such as Hughton just isnt going to cut it any more. We might as well just have stuck with Mc Carthy if thats where we are going next." Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying we should stick with Kenny necessarily, he needs a couple of results and performances over the next 3 competitive games (Qatar doesnt count for me as he should be giving lads in and around the fringes a chance in that one). If he doesnt get them, then fine, we go again, but in that circumstance I would prefer a younger manager with fresh ideas and preferably one who is going to look at the big picture for Irish football going forward and try and use his influence to deliver real progress at all levels. I doubt very much whether the likes of an Eddie Howe would be attainable, but he's the type of guy we should be looking towards imo. |
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Jimmy Raggatip
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very good post and something I've been trying to say myself over the past few months. We need to somehow get our players playing at Champions League and Europa League level. Starters at Wigan Athletic and Wycombe aren't going to cut it any more
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Are we back on the Luxembourg are Brazil in disguise chat (except when they play the mighty Belarus, NI, Cyprus, Qatar etc etc etc)?
All joking aside did someone a few posts back mention Neil Lennon ffs, sorry maybe it was sarcasm I cant really tell on this thread anymore.
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kevin100
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A key point here is about Luxembourg Iceland even closer to home Scotland and NI progressing past us! People arguing about Kenny are thinking past the sale! I don't think Kenny is the guy long term but equally I am adamant he is doing the right thing and we can't go back now! Hughton would be going back to the end of the O'Neill era/Mick Mack era where we were the worst team in Europe to watch!! That's got to stop if and when we do replace Kenny we do need someone in that won't be that! Steve Cooper is another guy that probably wouldn't be attainable but he is the perfect template.
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Luxembourg are 94th and Azerbaijan are 117th in the world rankings |
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Nope - but they did have two players in the CL last night. Something we can only hope for at the moment.
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They weren't playing with serious sides though lets ne fair. There are some duds in the group stages.
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Both teams won..against Man U & Shakhtar
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John Nice
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Since the beginning of 2018 Luxembourg have recorded victories (11) (9 competitive/2 Friendlies) over Azerbaijan x 2, Cyprus, Montenegro, Lithuania, Moldova, San Marino x 2, Malta, Georgia and Ireland Since the beginning of 2018, Ireland have recorded victories (7) (3 competitive/4 Friendlies) over Andorra, New Zealand, USA, Gibralter x 2, Georgia and Bulgaria Now, I am certainly not claiming Luxembourg are Brazil - Are we back to the usual trite responses? Ireland have beaten nobody of any note since scraping a 1-0 victory away to Wales in October 2017 (That was a full 3 years before Kenny took charge btw). Luxembourg beat Hungary 2-1 in November 2017. I dont think some people realise just how big a hole we were/are in - Kenny has begun the process of trying to extricate us from that hole, but it is going to take time. Whether or not he is the right man for the job who knows, but people should at least deal in facts when assessing where we are at and why. CLUE - Its not all Kennys fault and this didnt just happen when he took over the reins. |
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ManU had 10 men and were atrocious. |
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John Nice
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World rankings mean very little as the following illustrates, I'll re-iterate "Since the beginning of 2018 Luxembourg have recorded victories (11) (9 competitive/2 Friendlies) over Azerbaijan x 2, Cyprus, Montenegro, Lithuania, Moldova, San Marino x 2, Malta, Georgia and Ireland Since the beginning of 2018, Ireland have recorded victories (7) (3 competitive/4 Friendlies) over Andorra, New Zealand, USA, Gibralter x 2, Georgia and Bulgaria Now, I am certainly not claiming Luxembourg are Brazil - Are we back to the usual trite responses? Ireland have beaten nobody of any note since scraping a 1-0 victory away to Wales in October 2017 (That was a full 3 years before Kenny took charge btw). Luxembourg beat Hungary 2-1 in November 2017. I dont think some people realise just how big a hole we were/are in - Kenny has begun the process of trying to extricate us from that hole, but it is going to take time. Whether or not he is the right man for the job who knows, but people should at least deal in facts when assessing where we are at and why. CLUE - Its not all Kennys fault and this didnt just happen when he took over the reins." |
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