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I continue to be baffled at how many people continue to turn a blind eye or every more so offer blind loyalty to clubs and owners....

Chelsea: Plenty of Chelsea fans sticking up for Abrahmovich saying he has done well for the club and shouldn't be punished. Have seen some doing vox pops this morning claiming he isn't involved in politics

Newcastle: Many fans following the lead of Eddie Howe and saying they "just want to talk about football". Let's all just ignore the inconvenient dead bodies. 

Man City: A sizeable bunch not having any talk of the sportswashing and rule bending going on there. And a bunch going after the journalists who highlight this

Qatar: Same as Newcastle.

I do understand that we probably are all hypocrites to some greater or lesser extent but some things should be too obvious to ignore. 
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Celtic fans get a ban from UEFA for waving Palestine flags, yet Ukrainean flags are allowed when they're being attacked. 

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Football is rotten. Dirty money and sportwashing everywhere. It’s probably only the lower levels of football that aren’t corrupted in someway. FIFA was set up with good intentions but it’s an absolute joke of an organisation with corruption and links to despots rife. Change needs to happen starting at the top and work it’s way down. I cannot see it happening. I hope it will. 
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Football is rotten. Dirty money and sportwashing everywhere. It’s probably only the lower levels of football that aren’t corrupted in someway. FIFA was set up with good intentions but it’s an absolute joke of an organisation with corruption and links to despots rife. Change needs to happen starting at the top and work it’s way down. I cannot see it happening. I hope it will. 
I would disagree somewhat on this - Fans can be powerful when focused and mobilsed. 
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Football is rotten. Dirty money and sportwashing everywhere. It’s probably only the lower levels of football that aren’t corrupted in someway. FIFA was set up with good intentions but it’s an absolute joke of an organisation with corruption and links to despots rife. Change needs to happen starting at the top and work it’s way down. I cannot see it happening. I hope it will. 
I would disagree somewhat on this - Fans can be powerful when focused and mobilsed. 

Possibly. Fans can make change happen as we saw with the Super League but the vast majority of fans are happy for their football club to be a billionaires/Dictatorial states plaything. 
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Sportswashing has been a big thing for years now, every league in the world has it. Unfortunately most clubs will happily take the owner with the most money, which invariably means some dark side.

Most football clubs these days make quite a big profit, definitely in the big leagues. the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment. They also invest in Starbucks, Disney, Pfizer and anything else that'll get them a return. I really don't see how you can stop it to be honest. Would the premier league really instill a "no foreign owners" rule, to prevent this? And fear losing that money to European clubs?
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Most football clubs these days make quite a big profit, definitely in the big leagues.


No they don't.

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment.


They're doing it to launder their public image. They won't ever see a return on their investment. You only have to look at the Arabs at city to see that. No matter what sort of creative accounting they come up with, they'll never see a return on their investment either.

The Premier League don't need a "no foreign owners" policy, they just need to implement their "fit and proper" assessment. It's gone too far in the wrong direction now, there's no coming back. Eventually football will eat itself.
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Celtic fans get a ban from UEFA for waving Palestine flags, yet Ukrainean flags are allowed when they're being attacked. 

Double standards

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Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Most football clubs these days make quite a big profit, definitely in the big leagues.


No they don't.

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment.


They're doing it to launder their public image. They won't ever see a return on their investment. You only have to look at the Arabs at city to see that. No matter what sort of creative accounting they come up with, they'll never see a return on their investment either.

The Premier League don't need a "no foreign owners" policy, they just need to implement their "fit and proper" assessment. It's gone too far in the wrong direction now, there's no coming back. Eventually football will eat itself.

Here's the thing though, those that were happy turning a blind eye will then be happy to complain at how bad these people were etc once things go badly wrong.

Reminds of a certain sporting "administrator" who some people were more than happy to enable even though it was obvious to everyone that there were questionable actions being carried out, as long as they were being looked after themselves. 
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Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment.


They're doing it to launder their public image. They won't ever see a return on their investment. You only have to look at the Arabs at city to see that. No matter what sort of creative accounting they come up with, they'll never see a return on their investment either.
The laundering public image and sportswashing is a journalistic notion, I really don't think they are doing it for the good PR.

They're doing it because they know if they can turn Newcastle into a Champions League team, the recurring revenue and future sale value of Newcastle is far higher
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment.


They're doing it to launder their public image. They won't ever see a return on their investment. You only have to look at the Arabs at city to see that. No matter what sort of creative accounting they come up with, they'll never see a return on their investment either.
The laundering public image and sportswashing is a journalistic notion, I really don't think they are doing it for the good PR.

They're doing it because they know if they can turn Newcastle into a Champions League team, the recurring revenue and future sale value of Newcastle is far higher

Of course they are. If they can make money out of doing it then all the better. 
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The supporters of these clubs know what is happening and how they are being used but it's very hard to say no to the money and give up on the club you support because of who the owner is. 
I've seen it starting at Newcastle over the last six months and it's so easy to get swept up in it. Better players being bought, stadium being cleaned up, the living wage introduced for all staff, funding for the women's team etc. 
The Saudi owner is a awful man with a horrific human rights record but Newcastle fans are only looking at what he's doing for the club and how much better than Mike Ashley he has behaved and treated the club. It's the premier league and fa that shouldn't allow owners like this buy clubs.
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The supporters of these clubs know what is happening and how they are being used but it's very hard to say no to the money and give up on the club you support because of who the owner is.


I don't know about that.

Putin is probably the most hated man in the World right now. If he was to buy Chelsea, do you think he'd be welcomed with open arms cos he has deep pockets?
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment.


They're doing it to launder their public image. They won't ever see a return on their investment. You only have to look at the Arabs at city to see that. No matter what sort of creative accounting they come up with, they'll never see a return on their investment either.
The laundering public image and sportswashing is a journalistic notion, I really don't think they are doing it for the good PR.

They're doing it because they know if they can turn Newcastle into a Champions League team, the recurring revenue and future sale value of Newcastle is far higher

Of course they are. If they can make money out of doing it then all the better. 
I don’t think Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia have any interest in making any money from this. It’s sportwashing and a vanity project. The money these lads have is incomprehensible. Dropping a couple of billion is nothing to them.

Telling that the UAE abstained from the UN resolution yesterday.
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Originally posted by Slow & Blind Slow & Blind wrote:

The supporters of these clubs know what is happening and how they are being used but it's very hard to say no to the money and give up on the club you support because of who the owner is. 
I've seen it starting at Newcastle over the last six months and it's so easy to get swept up in it. Better players being bought, stadium being cleaned up, the living wage introduced for all staff, funding for the women's team etc. 
The Saudi owner is a awful man with a horrific human rights record but Newcastle fans are only looking at what he's doing for the club and how much better than Mike Ashley he has behaved and treated the club. It's the premier league and fa that shouldn't allow owners like this buy clubs.

Not with fans of all clubs it isn't. 
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment.


They're doing it to launder their public image. They won't ever see a return on their investment. You only have to look at the Arabs at city to see that. No matter what sort of creative accounting they come up with, they'll never see a return on their investment either.
The laundering public image and sportswashing is a journalistic notion, I really don't think they are doing it for the good PR.

They're doing it because they know if they can turn Newcastle into a Champions League team, the recurring revenue and future sale value of Newcastle is far higher

Of course they are. If they can make money out of doing it then all the better. 
I don’t think Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia have any interest in making any money from this. It’s sportwashing and a vanity project. The money these lads have is incomprehensible. Dropping a couple of billion is nothing to them.

Telling that the UAE abstained from the UN resolution yesterday.
It's the PIF that bought Newcastle. Have a look at the rest of their portfolio, they own bits of Mariott, Twitter, Facebook, Starbucks, Disney, Live Nation, Boeing. I'm sure there's an element of sport washing out of this, but they don't seem like the type that are just throwing away a bunch of cash just so they can hang out with Neymar
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment.


They're doing it to launder their public image. They won't ever see a return on their investment. You only have to look at the Arabs at city to see that. No matter what sort of creative accounting they come up with, they'll never see a return on their investment either.
The laundering public image and sportswashing is a journalistic notion, I really don't think they are doing it for the good PR.

They're doing it because they know if they can turn Newcastle into a Champions League team, the recurring revenue and future sale value of Newcastle is far higher

Of course they are. If they can make money out of doing it then all the better. 
I don’t think Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia have any interest in making any money from this. It’s sportwashing and a vanity project. The money these lads have is incomprehensible. Dropping a couple of billion is nothing to them.

Telling that the UAE abstained from the UN resolution yesterday.
It's the PIF that bought Newcastle. Have a look at the rest of their portfolio, they own bits of Mariott, Twitter, Facebook, Starbucks, Disney, Live Nation, Boeing. I'm sure there's an element of sport washing out of this, but they don't seem like the type that are just throwing away a bunch of cash just so they can hang out with Neymar
Buying Newcastle is totally about sportswashing. The money they could make after any sale would be pocket change in comparison to what they already have!
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

the lads that bought Newcastle aren't doing it as a hobby to throw money at it (as it seemed early Abramovic seemed to be), they're seeing it as an investment.


They're doing it to launder their public image. They won't ever see a return on their investment. You only have to look at the Arabs at city to see that. No matter what sort of creative accounting they come up with, they'll never see a return on their investment either.
The laundering public image and sportswashing is a journalistic notion, I really don't think they are doing it for the good PR.

They're doing it because they know if they can turn Newcastle into a Champions League team, the recurring revenue and future sale value of Newcastle is far higher

Of course they are. If they can make money out of doing it then all the better. 
I don’t think Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia have any interest in making any money from this. It’s sportwashing and a vanity project. The money these lads have is incomprehensible. Dropping a couple of billion is nothing to them.

Telling that the UAE abstained from the UN resolution yesterday.
It's the PIF that bought Newcastle. Have a look at the rest of their portfolio, they own bits of Mariott, Twitter, Facebook, Starbucks, Disney, Live Nation, Boeing. I'm sure there's an element of sport washing out of this, but they don't seem like the type that are just throwing away a bunch of cash just so they can hang out with Neymar
Marriot, Boeing and Live Nation don’t have any sort of emotional attachment to them. They’re not going to be in the Champions League. Nobody cares about them. They are solid financial investments. Football is not a wise financial investment. Hardly anyone makes money from it, apart for the players. People will happily abandon their principles if someone spends £500M on a new team that they support.
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