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    Posted: 15 Sep 2022 at 4:14pm
New call-up for the U21 Euro Play-Off:

Playing first team football at Plymouth in League 1 (on loan from Villa).  Made a nice start to the season for Plymouth with 3 goals in 8 league games.





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Of Irish and Israeli descent, so qualifies for both ourselves and Israel which is quite the coincidence. Seems to be highly rated at his parent club Villa.

Won L2 Young Player of the Year last season playing for Newport on loan from Villa and was named in the L2 Team of the Season. (7 goals in 42 League games). Seems to have taken the step up to L1 in his stride.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Of Irish and Israeli descent, so qualifies for both ourselves and Israel which is quite the coincidence. Seems to be highly rated at his parent club Villa.

Won L2 Young Player of the Year last season playing for Newport on loan from Villa and was named in the L2 Team of the Season. (7 goals in 42 League games). Seems to have taken the step up to L1 in his stride.

I here he Israeli good
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Originally posted by DublinScouse1916 DublinScouse1916 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Of Irish and Israeli descent, so qualifies for both ourselves and Israel which is quite the coincidence. Seems to be highly rated at his parent club Villa.

Won L2 Young Player of the Year last season playing for Newport on loan from Villa and was named in the L2 Team of the Season. (7 goals in 42 League games). Seems to have taken the step up to L1 in his stride.

I here he Israeli good

That's a view I would approach with some degree of circumcision.  
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Originally posted by DublinScouse1916 DublinScouse1916 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Of Irish and Israeli descent, so qualifies for both ourselves and Israel which is quite the coincidence. Seems to be highly rated at his parent club Villa.

Won L2 Young Player of the Year last season playing for Newport on loan from Villa and was named in the L2 Team of the Season. (7 goals in 42 League games). Seems to have taken the step up to L1 in his stride.

I here he Israeli good

 His name sounds Arabic to me .
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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by DublinScouse1916 DublinScouse1916 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Of Irish and Israeli descent, so qualifies for both ourselves and Israel which is quite the coincidence. Seems to be highly rated at his parent club Villa.

Won L2 Young Player of the Year last season playing for Newport on loan from Villa and was named in the L2 Team of the Season. (7 goals in 42 League games). Seems to have taken the step up to L1 in his stride.

I here he Israeli good

 His name sounds Arabic to me .
Maybe his dad is an Israeli Arab? I thought the name sounded Arabic too but some of the Jewish Israeli ones can also sound a bit Arabic 

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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by DublinScouse1916 DublinScouse1916 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Of Irish and Israeli descent, so qualifies for both ourselves and Israel which is quite the coincidence. Seems to be highly rated at his parent club Villa.

Won L2 Young Player of the Year last season playing for Newport on loan from Villa and was named in the L2 Team of the Season. (7 goals in 42 League games). Seems to have taken the step up to L1 in his stride.

I here he Israeli good

 His name sounds Arabic to me .

His middle name is Isaac which would suggest his dads back ground is Jewish. Most of the Jewish people in the Western world are Ashkenazi so we're used to hearing vaguely Germanic/Eastern European sounding surnames, but there are large groups of Jewish people from North African/Middle Eastern backgrounds with more "Arabic" sounding names.
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As Azaz is 22, does that mean he is tied to us if he gets any minutes in the Israel game?
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Originally posted by Bainneban Bainneban wrote:

As Azaz is 22, does that mean he is tied to us if he gets any minutes in the Israel game?

No.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Bainneban Bainneban wrote:

As Azaz is 22, does that mean he is tied to us if he gets any minutes in the Israel game?

No.

As helpful as that is could you explain please? 

"At the time of being fielded for their last match in an official competition in any kind of football for their current association, they had not turned 21 years old"

Qualifying might not count as an official competition, is that why he could still switch or the fact that its not a senior international? Whereas, for comparison sake, someone like Conor Gallagher played at 22 in a tournament so would not qualify for us anymore?


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There are more clauses in the rules than just the bit you quoted. The difference between Conor Gallagher and Finn Azaz relates to what countries they held citizenship for when they made their first competitive international appearance (including underage and including qualifiers).

Gallagher is a granny ruler so it's very unlikely that he held Irish citizenship when he first played underage for England. Whereas Azaz is English born so obviously holds English (British) citizenship ahead of his potential first appearance for Ireland. 

So when Gallagher played for England after turning 21 he was no longer eligible for Ireland under the rules because of this, however if/when Azaz plays for Ireland he will still be eligible for England as he was a British citizen before playing for us. The same goes for others like Coventry and Smallbone. None of them are tied to us until we competitively cap them at senior level despite playing 21s for us after their 21st birthdays. Whereas when Gallagher, Anthony Gordon and others do the same in reverse they can no longer play for us. It seems unfair, but that's they way the regs were written.

The rules on this are complicated so sometimes it's just easier to give a one word answer!


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Thats a great answer, thank you. I understood the holding citizenship but did not realise that only Senior level could tie him. 
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

There are more clauses in the rules than just the bit you quoted. The difference between Conor Gallagher and Finn Azaz relates to what countries they held citizenship for when they made their first competitive international appearance (including underage and including qualifiers).

Gallagher is a granny ruler so it's very unlikely that he held Irish citizenship when he first played underage for England. Whereas Azaz is English born so obviously holds English (British) citizenship ahead of his potential first appearance for Ireland. 

So when Gallagher played for England after turning 21 he was no longer eligible for Ireland under the rules because of this, however if/when Azaz plays for Ireland he will still be eligible for England as he was a British citizen before playing for us. The same goes for others like Coventry and Smallbone. None of them are tied to us until we competitively cap them at senior level despite playing 21s for us after their 21st birthdays. Whereas when Gallagher, Anthony Gordon and others do the same in reverse they can no longer play for us. It seems unfair, but that's they way the regs were written.

The rules on this are complicated so sometimes it's just easier to give a one word answer!

A small point,but I don't think Gallagher is a granny ruler - pretty sure I read his dad was born in Donegal, which would make him an Irish citizen from birth.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

There are more clauses in the rules than just the bit you quoted. The difference between Conor Gallagher and Finn Azaz relates to what countries they held citizenship for when they made their first competitive international appearance (including underage and including qualifiers).

Gallagher is a granny ruler so it's very unlikely that he held Irish citizenship when he first played underage for England. Whereas Azaz is English born so obviously holds English (British) citizenship ahead of his potential first appearance for Ireland. 

So when Gallagher played for England after turning 21 he was no longer eligible for Ireland under the rules because of this, however if/when Azaz plays for Ireland he will still be eligible for England as he was a British citizen before playing for us. The same goes for others like Coventry and Smallbone. None of them are tied to us until we competitively cap them at senior level despite playing 21s for us after their 21st birthdays. Whereas when Gallagher, Anthony Gordon and others do the same in reverse they can no longer play for us. It seems unfair, but that's they way the regs were written.

The rules on this are complicated so sometimes it's just easier to give a one word answer!

A small point,but I don't think Gallagher is a granny ruler - pretty sure I read his dad was born in Donegal, which would make him an Irish citizen from birth.

I have no Idea whether that's correct or not, but if his dad was indeed born in Ireland Gallagher would be an Irish citizen from birth and would remain eligible for us until he gets a competitive senior England cap. 


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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

There are more clauses in the rules than just the bit you quoted. The difference between Conor Gallagher and Finn Azaz relates to what countries they held citizenship for when they made their first competitive international appearance (including underage and including qualifiers).

Gallagher is a granny ruler so it's very unlikely that he held Irish citizenship when he first played underage for England. Whereas Azaz is English born so obviously holds English (British) citizenship ahead of his potential first appearance for Ireland. 

So when Gallagher played for England after turning 21 he was no longer eligible for Ireland under the rules because of this, however if/when Azaz plays for Ireland he will still be eligible for England as he was a British citizen before playing for us. The same goes for others like Coventry and Smallbone. None of them are tied to us until we competitively cap them at senior level despite playing 21s for us after their 21st birthdays. Whereas when Gallagher, Anthony Gordon and others do the same in reverse they can no longer play for us. It seems unfair, but that's they way the regs were written.

The rules on this are complicated so sometimes it's just easier to give a one word answer!
I don't think it's unfair becasue our own fault. It's due to our foreign birth registry system for people with Irish grandparents. People are deemed not to have the right to citizenship until that criteria is fulfilled. rather than having the right from birth. It's going to come back to shaft us in future when it comes to missing out on players. Liam Delap is another one who will fall into that category.
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