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Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by notpropaganda73 notpropaganda73 wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Better teams control the ball...

... first, then do something constructive with it next.


The frustrating part of this point for me is that had Hourihane or Browne put away their chances against Slovakia, nobody would be labouring this point. We have created chances with this style of play, we need to finish them. 
 
You are so right NP as how many times have you heard someone saying fine margins , close to every weekend . The goal at Villa Park when playing Sheff Utd that was a goal and it kept Villa up and look at them at the moment .
But if you keep falling on the wrong side of the line offten enough you lose your job .
Football is about results , now i know lots on this thread think otherwise but that's what it comes down to .
You are only as good as your last match also .

I agree with that as well in fairness, but I think it's only fair to give Kenny a fair crack at this before calling for his head. It seems to me the reactions to the last five games are way way OTT versus what has been happening on the pitch. If we get to this time next year and still no goals or wins then I'll be very worried, but I don't think that is likely.
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Originally posted by notpropaganda73 notpropaganda73 wrote:

Originally posted by Claret Murph Claret Murph wrote:

Originally posted by notpropaganda73 notpropaganda73 wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Better teams control the ball...

... first, then do something constructive with it next.


The frustrating part of this point for me is that had Hourihane or Browne put away their chances against Slovakia, nobody would be labouring this point. We have created chances with this style of play, we need to finish them. 
 
You are so right NP as how many times have you heard someone saying fine margins , close to every weekend . The goal at Villa Park when playing Sheff Utd that was a goal and it kept Villa up and look at them at the moment .
But if you keep falling on the wrong side of the line offten enough you lose your job .
Football is about results , now i know lots on this thread think otherwise but that's what it comes down to .
You are only as good as your last match also .

I agree with that as well in fairness, but I think it's only fair to give Kenny a fair crack at this before calling for his head. It seems to me the reactions to the last five games are way way OTT versus what has been happening on the pitch. If we get to this time next year and still no goals or wins then I'll be very worried, but I don't think that is likely.
 
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Give Kenny the qualifiers without doubt. Kenny got the job mainly on his successes at Dundalk. It must be said that in the latter years there, he had the biggest budget and best players in the league as evidenced by so much success.He won't have the best players at international level and will have to work with what he has. While his earlier successes at Dundalk merit more credit, after all he assembled a good team from a group of LOI journeyman on a shoestring budget. He was able to coax improved performances from the players he had. In the games for Ireland to date we can see he is trying to establish a structure and tactical formation. The key question is can he improve the players to a degree to make his systems deliver winning matches. How long will the players stay in board with Kenny if we keep losing to teams like Finland ?
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but to be honest I would prefer hoof ball and results a la MON 2015-16 rather than good football and nothing to show for it. I hope we can get the balance right.

What did we get to show for it in those years?

2015:
Ireland 1-1 Poland
Ireland 1-1 Scotland
Poland 2-1 Ireland
Bosnia 1-1 Ireland

2016:
Ireland 1-2 Belarussia
Ireland 0-3 Belgium
Serbia 2-2 Ireland

Or even 2017:
Ireland 0-0 Wales (v 10 men) 
Ireland 0-1 Iceland
Ireland 1-1 Austria
Georgia 1-1 Ireland
Ireland 0-1 Serbia (v 10 men) 
Denmark 0-0 Ireland
Ireland v Denmark 2nd Leg. 

Not too many wins for the Hoofball Henrys from that lot. I think I'll pass on 2018.

MON won 1 of his first 9 games in charge, but kept his job for 5 years over 3 campaigns. One thing he was not short of, was time. I think Kenny needs rather longer than 5 games to put a long term strategy in place, and front foot tactics more advanced than planting the ball on Duffy's head in the last 10 minutes. We need root and branch reform of how we play, not another quick fix who fixes nothing at all. 
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unfortunately in the Kenny era the problem isn’t just winning, its worst than that.  We don’t score.

So let’s just move on from somehow trying to favourly compare this era to martin O’Neill’s or mick’s era.

Let’s just concentrate on the now. We are obsessed with previous managers and what they say and do. 

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Give Kenny the qualifiers without doubt. Kenny got the job mainly on his successes at Dundalk. It must be said that in the latter years there, he had the biggest budget and best players in the league as evidenced by so much success.He won't have the best players at international level and will have to work with what he has. While his earlier successes at Dundalk merit more credit, after all he assembled a good team from a group of LOI journeyman on a shoestring budget. He was able to coax improved performances from the players he had. In the games for Ireland to date we can see he is trying to establish a structure and tactical formation. The key question is can he improve the players to a degree to make his systems deliver winning matches. How long will the players stay in board with Kenny if we keep losing to teams like Finland ?
The players will give Kenny the time he deserves, the fans or media is another story. In allowing them to play constructive football, he has already shown more belief in their abilities than previous managers. The players will recognise this and we will see the fruition of this in the years ahead we hope. I really don't think the players are any threat to Kenny as Ireland manager
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I don't think any previous Ireland manager has had to cope with the level of disruption Kenny had over these 3 games. The number of withdrawals of key players was unprecedented and even in tournament football, having 3 games in 6 days is very uncommon.

Despite all of the above, and the belief instilled in many by previous managers that we don't have the players to play anything other than hoofball, Kenny has turned us in to a passing team. Those pass completion stats are incredible and I don't give a f**k which third of the pitch they were in. Do you think all of Spain's passes were in the final third? Give me a break.

Kenny is a breath of fresh air. Once we have a full squad to pick from the results will come and when the 21s qualify for the Euros, we'll have something to get excited about next summer as we watch the next generation on the big stage. 
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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

I don't think any previous Ireland manager has had to cope with the level of disruption Kenny had over these 3 games. The number of withdrawals of key players was unprecedented and even in tournament football, having 3 games in 6 days is very uncommon.

Despite all of the above, and the belief instilled in many by previous managers that we don't have the players to play anything other than hoofball, Kenny has turned us in to a passing team. Those pass completion stats are incredible and I don't give a f**k which third of the pitch they were in. Do you think all of Spain's passes were in the final third? Give me a break.

Kenny is a breath of fresh air. Once we have a full squad to pick from the results will come and when the 21s qualify for the Euros, we'll have something to get excited about next summer as we watch the next generation on the big stage. 

100% agree. Kenny is a breath of fresh air.

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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Those pass completion stats are incredible and I don't give a f**k which third of the pitch they were in

I support Kenny but that is a disaster of an opinion. Thankfully Kenny will very much care where the passes actually get us.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

but to be honest I would prefer hoof ball and results a la MON 2015-16 rather than good football and nothing to show for it. I hope we can get the balance right.

What did we get to show for it in those years?

2015:
Ireland 1-1 Poland
Ireland 1-1 Scotland
Poland 2-1 Ireland
Bosnia 1-1 Ireland

2016:
Ireland 1-2 Belarussia
Ireland 0-3 Belgium
Serbia 2-2 Ireland

Or even 2017:
Ireland 0-0 Wales (v 10 men) 
Ireland 0-1 Iceland
Ireland 1-1 Austria
Georgia 1-1 Ireland
Ireland 0-1 Serbia (v 10 men) 
Denmark 0-0 Ireland
Ireland v Denmark 2nd Leg. 

Not too many wins for the Hoofball Henrys from that lot. I think I'll pass on 2018.

MON won 1 of his first 9 games in charge, but kept his job for 5 years over 3 campaigns. One thing he was not short of, was time. I think Kenny needs rather longer than 5 games to put a long term strategy in place, and front foot tactics more advanced than planting the ball on Duffy's head in the last 10 minutes. We need root and branch reform of how we play, not another quick fix who fixes nothing at all. 

I’m for Kenny getting time but saying O’Neill was a failure is nonsense, we hadn’t beat a higher ranked team competitively before him for 14 years. He beat 5, including the world champions. Hadn’t beaten a higher ranked team away in 26 +years, he done it twice in his stint. Got us to the last 16 of the euros and we gave a good account of ourselves and went out with pride. 


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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

but to be honest I would prefer hoof ball and results a la MON 2015-16 rather than good football and nothing to show for it. I hope we can get the balance right.

What did we get to show for it in those years?

2015:
Ireland 1-1 Poland
Ireland 1-1 Scotland
Poland 2-1 Ireland
Bosnia 1-1 Ireland

2016:
Ireland 1-2 Belarussia
Ireland 0-3 Belgium
Serbia 2-2 Ireland

Or even 2017:
Ireland 0-0 Wales (v 10 men) 
Ireland 0-1 Iceland
Ireland 1-1 Austria
Georgia 1-1 Ireland
Ireland 0-1 Serbia (v 10 men) 
Denmark 0-0 Ireland
Ireland v Denmark 2nd Leg. 

Not too many wins for the Hoofball Henrys from that lot. I think I'll pass on 2018.

MON won 1 of his first 9 games in charge, but kept his job for 5 years over 3 campaigns. One thing he was not short of, was time. I think Kenny needs rather longer than 5 games to put a long term strategy in place, and front foot tactics more advanced than planting the ball on Duffy's head in the last 10 minutes. We need root and branch reform of how we play, not another quick fix who fixes nothing at all. 

Ridiculous post. Selective smattering of results. Leaving out the good results.
Could do the same for Alex Ferguson or Klopp or from Charlton's time in charge of Ireland. 
Utter dross.
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