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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by heighway2heaven heighway2heaven wrote:

Between Darkest Hour and that Thatcher bollocks a few years back, it feels like there's a real and concerted effort to rehabilitate the historical image of the British Empire
It is incredibly irritating and insulting the way people are fawning over that horrible old bigot. A cruel, nasty man who, even for his time, was a horrible racist and misogynist.
I also understand that actors are most likely to empathise with a historical character they have portrayed, but to hear Oldman eulogise that mass murderer is pretty sickening.

He is personally responsible for the death of millions through planned starvation and massacres and war.... but he DID win WWII single handedly (the Soviet's had nothing to do with it at all Wink)...

Anyway, just goes to show that history is indeed written by the victors.... or at least, those whom have sway over Hollywood.


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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Didn't say it was exceptional...I said a decent watch! Was there big fuss about it? It was a story that seemed to grip the US 24 years ago so no surprise at the interest with it being revisited again.
I'm gonna sound like an old man here but the standard of films out now (well the major ones you hear loads about) don't seem to be of the same calibre of 10-15 years ago. Oscar nominees are generally decent the last couple of years but not exceptional like in the past. I'm very far from a movie buff. Am I wrong here or do others agree?

Due to streaming and pirating, the big film producers are losing money so they are rehashing old films and milking any film that they can make a franchise from. Thus resulting in less indie films with a decent bidget been made. For example lots of classic films in the past wouldn't have a sniff of been made these days

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Originally posted by heighway2heaven heighway2heaven wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by heighway2heaven heighway2heaven wrote:

Between Darkest Hour and that Thatcher bollocks a few years back, it feels like there's a real and concerted effort to rehabilitate the historical image of the British Empire
It is incredibly irritating and insulting the way people are fawning over that horrible old bigot. A cruel, nasty man who, even for his time, was a horrible racist and misogynist.
I also understand that actors are most likely to empathise with a historical character they have portrayed, but to hear Oldman eulogise that mass murderer is pretty sickening.

He is personally responsible for the death of millions through planned starvation and massacres and war.... but he DID win WWII single handedly (the Soviet's had nothing to do with it at all Wink)...

Anyway, just goes to show that history is indeed written by the victors.... or at least, those whom have sway over Hollywood.


I do enjoy the occasional wind-up chorus of "if it wasn't for the Rusians you'd be Krauts". It never fails to shut them up.
 
I haven't got to see I, Tonya yet, but I think a lot of people on this side of the Atlantic have either forgotten or are unaware of what a significant event this was in American pop culture and on the psyche. It brought a shift in how certain things were reported in the media, with every aspect of Harding's life being pored over in the media in a way that is almost normal know but wasn't then.
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Didn't say it was exceptional...I said a decent watch! Was there big fuss about it? It was a story that seemed to grip the US 24 years ago so no surprise at the interest with it being revisited again.
I'm gonna sound like an old man here but the standard of films out now (well the major ones you hear loads about) don't seem to be of the same calibre of 10-15 years ago. Oscar nominees are generally decent the last couple of years but not exceptional like in the past. I'm very far from a movie buff. Am I wrong here or do others agree?

Due to streaming and pirating, the big film producers are losing money so they are rehashing old films and milking any film that they can make a franchise from. Thus resulting in less indie films with a decent bidget been made. For example lots of classic films in the past wouldn't have a sniff of been made these days

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Cheers for the explanation...The rehashing of old movies is something that really annoys me, especially if the movie in question is less than 20 years old!
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Didn't say it was exceptional...I said a decent watch! Was there big fuss about it? It was a story that seemed to grip the US 24 years ago so no surprise at the interest with it being revisited again.
I'm gonna sound like an old man here but the standard of films out now (well the major ones you hear loads about) don't seem to be of the same calibre of 10-15 years ago. Oscar nominees are generally decent the last couple of years but not exceptional like in the past. I'm very far from a movie buff. Am I wrong here or do others agree?

Due to streaming and pirating, the big film producers are losing money so they are rehashing old films and milking any film that they can make a franchise from. Thus resulting in less indie films with a decent bidget been made. For example lots of classic films in the past wouldn't have a sniff of been made these days

So streaming thieves AngryAngry Big smile


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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Didn't say it was exceptional...I said a decent watch! Was there big fuss about it? It was a story that seemed to grip the US 24 years ago so no surprise at the interest with it being revisited again.
I'm gonna sound like an old man here but the standard of films out now (well the major ones you hear loads about) don't seem to be of the same calibre of 10-15 years ago. Oscar nominees are generally decent the last couple of years but not exceptional like in the past. I'm very far from a movie buff. Am I wrong here or do others agree?


Sorry Bronzy. My point was just a generic one and not aimed at your !
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Originally posted by BabbsBalls BabbsBalls wrote:

Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Didn't say it was exceptional...I said a decent watch! Was there big fuss about it? It was a story that seemed to grip the US 24 years ago so no surprise at the interest with it being revisited again.
I'm gonna sound like an old man here but the standard of films out now (well the major ones you hear loads about) don't seem to be of the same calibre of 10-15 years ago. Oscar nominees are generally decent the last couple of years but not exceptional like in the past. I'm very far from a movie buff. Am I wrong here or do others agree?


Sorry Bronzy. My point was just a generic one and not aimed at your !

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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by heighway2heaven heighway2heaven wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by heighway2heaven heighway2heaven wrote:

Between Darkest Hour and that Thatcher bollocks a few years back, it feels like there's a real and concerted effort to rehabilitate the historical image of the British Empire

It is incredibly irritating and insulting the way people are fawning over that horrible old bigot. A cruel, nasty man who, even for his time, was a horrible racist and misogynist.
I also understand that actors are most likely to empathise with a historical character they have portrayed, but to hear Oldman eulogise that mass murderer is pretty sickening.


He is personally responsible for the death of millions through planned starvation and massacres and war.... but he DID win WWII single handedly (the Soviet's had nothing to do with it at all Wink)...

Anyway, just goes to show that history is indeed written by the victors.... or at least, those whom have sway over Hollywood.



I do enjoy the occasional wind-up chorus of "if it wasn't for the Rusians you'd be Krauts". It never fails to shut them up.
 
I haven't got to see I, Tonya yet, but I think a lot of people on this side of the Atlantic have either forgotten or are unaware of what a significant event this was in American pop culture and on the psyche. It brought a shift in how certain things were reported in the media, with every aspect of Harding's life being pored over in the media in a way that is almost normal know but wasn't then.

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The shape of water.

Saw this a few weeks ago before it won the best picture award. It was unusual and I still don't know what to make of it. Deaf woman falls in love with captured amphibian creature is kind of the gist of it. Visually it looked nice but there were token efforts touched on about racial hate and homosexuality that didn't really go anywhere and didn't make much difference to the film. 
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Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

The shape of water.

Saw this a few weeks ago before it won the best picture award. It was unusual and I still don't know what to make of it. Deaf woman falls in love with captured amphibian creature is kind of the gist of it. Visually it looked nice but there were token efforts touched on about racial hate and homosexuality that didn't really go anywhere and didn't make much difference to the film. 

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Originally posted by darmack darmack wrote:

The shape of water.

Saw this a few weeks ago before it won the best picture award. It was unusual and I still don't know what to make of it. Deaf woman falls in love with captured amphibian creature is kind of the gist of it. Visually it looked nice but there were token efforts touched on about racial hate and homosexuality that didn't really go anywhere and didn't make much difference to the film. 


She wasn't deaf, she was mute

Thought it was excellent. Saw it last night. Visually terrific, thought the soundtrack was excellent. Top notch villain.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by heighway2heaven heighway2heaven wrote:

Between Darkest Hour and that Thatcher bollocks a few years back, it feels like there's a real and concerted effort to rehabilitate the historical image of the British Empire

It is incredibly irritating and insulting the way people are fawning over that horrible old bigot. A cruel, nasty man who, even for his time, was a horrible racist and misogynist.
I also understand that actors are most likely to empathise with a historical character they have portrayed, but to hear Oldman eulogise that mass murderer is pretty sickening.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/03/10/in-winston-churchill-hollywood-rewards-a-mass-murderer/

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That piece is spot on. It really is amazing how history can be rewritten.
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Pretty sure it's Gary Oldman who won the award not Churchill himself? Bruno Ganz won a few awards and probably should have won more for his portrayal of Hitler in Downfall!
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