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    Posted: 21 Oct 2013 at 4:45pm
Out tomorrow
Will probably throw up a good few talking points, so deserves its own thread 
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Looking forward to it, bound to be a few players dreading it's release.
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Nicely timed release so Moyes can deal with any fallout from this (Rooney revelations etc....) while trying to get Utd back on form. How nice of Alex.
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Could be wrong but can't see there being any huge revelations he's still very much a part of things at ot and will not want to rock the boat it's already a period of transition
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Should be an interesting insight into his mind and how he was the driving force behind United's dominance over the last 20 years, even supporters of other clubs (including myself) will be reading this one.
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No matter what you think if the man he's up there with Clough,Shankly,Stein etc etc and I would recommend any football fan to read anything he gets published. He probably won't be around in 15-20 years time.A living legend.

I think Jamie Carragher was very complementary about him in his own autobiography
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How many autobiographies has Fergie had now at this stage? Must be at least 3. Just another 2 to go now before he dies.
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

No matter what you think if the man he's up there with Clough,Shankly,Stein etc etc and I would recommend any football fan to read anything he gets published. He probably won't be around in 15-20 years time.A living legend.

I think Jamie Carragher was very complementary about him in his own autobiography


I would say he is top of the list.

He has to be the best manager in the history of British football.
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The one due out this Thursday is only his second autobiography.

His first one was released rather fortuitously in 1999 - just after United won the treble. Though there were updates to that over the years...

Agree with Horsey, Fergie is certainly top of the list. Not only did he win more than them all and stay at the helm longer than them all, but he did all this through the biggest evolution the game ever had. When Fergie started managing at United, there were players on £1000 per month, when he left in 2013 he was managing players on £1million per month.

The fact that he stayed on top of his game, as the media changed, the game changed, the players changed, the professionalism changed etc - is the main reason he's the best for me. And that's without mentioning how much of a pioneer he was with man-management, how much of a pioneer he was with mind games, how much of a pioneer he was with media dealings, how much of a pioneer he was with squad rotation, that's without mentioning the fact he's won more trophies than any other British manager and the fact that the academy he set up at Old Trafford was insanely effective. His greatest legacy for me was how much he evolved as a manager as the game practically changed during his time as a manager.



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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

No matter what you think if the man he's up there with Clough,Shankly,Stein etc etc and I would recommend any football fan to read anything he gets published. He probably won't be around in 15-20 years time.A living legend.

I think Jamie Carragher was very complementary about him in his own autobiography
 

I would say he is top of the list.

He has to be the best manager in the history of British football.

He was the best in certain ways but not as good in others (tactically naive at vital times in Europe down the years). To be fair what Shankly achieved (though he didn't win as much silverware) turning Liverpool from a second division club into world power has to be up there with Ferguson.Paisley gets a lot of credit which is fair enough but Shankly for me was the architect of Liverpool's success.Busby winning the European cup 10 years after Munich not to mention Clough's success with Forest.These are all serious achievements. Fergusons longevity and willingness to change with the times building team after team are his strongest points but I don't really buy into the whole "greatest team/manager/league in the world" labels.They're all excellent in their own right 
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Fergie still thinks Jock Stein is the greatest
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

No matter what you think if the man he's up there with Clough,Shankly,Stein etc etc and I would recommend any football fan to read anything he gets published. He probably won't be around in 15-20 years time.A living legend.

I think Jamie Carragher was very complementary about him in his own autobiography
 

I would say he is top of the list.

He has to be the best manager in the history of British football.

He was the best in certain ways but not as good in others (tactically naive at vital times in Europe down the years). To be fair what Shankly achieved (though he didn't win as much silverware) turning Liverpool from a second division club into world power has to be up there with Ferguson.Paisley gets a lot of credit which is fair enough but Shankly for me was the architect of Liverpool's success.Busby winning the European cup 10 years after Munich not to mention Clough's success with Forest.These are all serious achievements. Fergusons longevity and willingness to change with the times building team after team are his strongest points but I don't really buy into the whole "greatest team/manager/league in the world" labels.They're all excellent in their own right 


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Whatever about comparisons such as Ronaldo v messi for example, comparing across different eras isn't for me, especially on the topic of managers.
All of the above were legends, and each had huge success, success being a very broad title and something they achieved in their own way. You could add Herbert chapman and don revie to it along with a few more. Dare I say it Walter smith also.
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

No matter what you think if the man he's up there with Clough,Shankly,Stein etc etc 

Well done Mr Ferguson. IrishMufc thinks you are "up there with" some other managers. 
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Whatever about comparisons such as Ronaldo v messi for example, comparing across different eras isn't for me, especially on the topic of managers.
All of the above were legends, and each had huge success, success being a very broad title and something they achieved in their own way. You could add Herbert chapman and don revie to it along with a few more. Dare I say it Walter smith also.


Not that I want to deflect the from the main topic but you may want to revise that last sentence. What exactly do you base that on? dominating the Scottish League in the 90's when Celtic were close to going out of existence while consistently failing in Europe? This despite spending big money on marquee names?

Kudos to him getting to UEFA Cup Final in 08 and winning the 2IAR & 3IAR in 2010 & 11 while Rangers were under the control of Lloyds TSB but a legendary manager? Each club has their own legendary manager, but Smith for his achievements does not transcend across different clubs for me.
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He won 10 leagues in 12 years there, that's close to complete domination.
He just popped into my head givin it 5 seconds thought. It wasn't a very definite list, just a few off the top of my head.
If the thread were to go in that direction lads could viably argue till the seasons end and who could be included.
What brought him into my mind was that he did a great job there twice and brought players of the calibre of gazza and laudrup to Scotland.
I'm not goin to staunchly defend him if people disagree just them few reasons made his name pop into my head. Suppose Everton didn't work out for him if I was to be critical.
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Did anyone read any of Fergies last two autobiographies, and if so were they any good.
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I read 1 years ago but don't remember any of it.
Read loads of football autobiographies and that doesn't stand out. I have always preferred reading ones at the end of a managers/players career though, rather than halfway through.
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