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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

What a load of wank.   Heard Steve McClaren talking about how great it will be to have these big games every week.  No it wont. The latter stages of the Champions League are the few times the big clubs play eac other and it makes it relatively rare and special event in a historic tournament.  If they played every week or semi regularly it would become routine and boring.  Also the tournament itself has no history.  YAWN.


Will this affect you in anyway?

Are we not allowed anything new at all in the future as it will have no history?

Are you the biggest moaner on this forum?

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It will be based on value add - who has the biggest franchise/ fan base / sponsors etc 

The core will be like this, these are the teams they need:

EPL - top 6 (or at least 4 from here)
Spain - Barca and Real
France - PSG
Italy - Juve, Inter, AC Milan
Germany - Bayern

Then it’s just filler with Atletico Madrid, B Dortmund, Ajax, Celtic, Rangers, Marseille, Roma, Porto etc  making up the numbers.
Maybe spread it around the countries for maximum value.

If you don’t need to qualify and no relegation then they need to just call it something appropriate like the “soccer super bowl I”

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

It will be based on value add - who has the biggest franchise/ fan base / sponsors etc 

The core will be like this, these are the teams they need:

EPL - top 6 (or at least 4 from here)
Spain - Barca and Real
France - PSG
Italy - Juve, Inter, AC Milan
Germany - Bayern

Then it’s just filler with Atletico Madrid, B Dortmund, Ajax, Celtic, Rangers, Marseille, Roma, Porto etc  making up the numbers.
Maybe spread it around the countries for maximum value.

You got it.

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

If you don’t need to qualify and no relegation then they need to just call it something appropriate like the “soccer super bowl I”
It's actually more subtle than that. Apparently the "Founder Members" will be immune from relegation for the first 20 years.
The "Others" may, however, be relegated. And as I said earlier, I doubt it will be decided solely according to playing considerations - the commercial/revenue generating performance will be more important.

Think of the American sports system of Franchises. No Franchise can ever get relegated.  And if they are still unable to make a profit, the owner can always sell it to someone else, who can move the Franchise lock, stock and barrel to some other city, where it might be profitable.

Consequently, if eg Zenit, Brondby or Besiktas aren't making their figures each season, you can always replace them with Porto, AIK or Glentoran.

(OK, you have to let me have my little joke)


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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

What a load of wank.   Heard Steve McClaren talking about how great it will be to have these big games every week.  No it wont. The latter stages of the Champions League are the few times the big clubs play eac other and it makes it relatively rare and special event in a historic tournament.  If they played every week or semi regularly it would become routine and boring.  Also the tournament itself has no history.  YAWN.


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Are we not allowed anything new at all in the future as it will have no history?

Are you the biggest moaner on this forum?


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Dermot Bannon designed the format
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Has John Delaney been linked to it yet?

He'll probably be claiming that it was all his idea in the first place.

Oh, and he's managed to reserve a place in the inaugural line-up for Waterford FC.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

The fact that the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City would be spoken of as candidates demonstrates the power of money in all this. Its a fluke of timing, and its hard not to look at the rise of Leicester and Wolves, the potential at Leeds, and the takeover bid at Newcastle, along with the pandemic as a reason for these discussions.
 
They might invite Nottingham Forest on board because they were good 40 years ago
 
 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Dermot Bannon designed the format
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:


They might invite Nottingham Forest on board because they were good 40 years ago
 
 

Sorry RB, but City wouldn't be involved historically. neither would Chelsea.

Its facetious to mention Forrest, but the apple cart is being upset by Wolves, Leicester, and to a lesser extent Leeds. Newcastle's takeover would have increased their spending power to unprecedented levels. The fact that Arsenal have fallen out of the Top 6, and Manchester United are no longer guaranteed CL football, there has been a major culture change.
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It was a joke HF, relax.
Hopefully it doesn't go ahead, its sounds farcical.
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This comes up every few years, champions league format is up for discussion at the minute so it's back up again. Big clubs threaten this new league to get their way on the new format, uefa acqueiese, rinse and repeat in five years.

Amazed its given such credibility every time it happens. 
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Proposed European Premier League could be illegal under EU law, says leading sports lawyer

Closed leagues without promotion and relegation could be regarded as anti-competitive

The proposed new European Premier League could be illegal under EU law, leading experts on European sports law have said. 

“The moves afoot in Europe mean that the idea of closed leagues could itself be regarded as anti-competitive behaviour,” said Darren Bailey, a lawyer and consultant to Charles Russell Speechlys’ sports group who was formerly the Football Association’s director of football governance and regulation.

The proposed new European Premier League, which is being led by Real Madrid president Florentino Pérez, would reportedly be a closed league, without the usual system of promotion or relegation. As such it could be barred by European Union competition law.

“In principle, yes - any closed shop for elite clubs is very likely to contravene the terms of EU competition law,” said Dr Katarina Pijetlovic, a reader in sports law from Manchester Metropolitan University. “Some promotion and relegation system would have to be in place, as well as solidarity payments and submitting to regulatory competence of Uefa and Fifa.” 

Pijetlovic said that even decisions made by the Europan Club Association may not be immune to a legal challenge, because the structure of its executive board is dominated by elite clubs. “There is a good chance that elite clubs might constitute either a collectively dominant group of undertakings or a powerful cartel and their blackmailing strategy in itself might contravene competition law." 

Any possible closed pan-European football league has been compared to basketball’s EuroLeague. This features 18 sides, with 11 having long-term licenses, guaranteeing their spots in perpetuity. The Union of European Leagues of Basketball (ULEB), the association of the 11 major basketball leagues in Europe, recently filed a complaint to the European Commission against the EuroLeague organisers. ULEB argues that the removal of spots for national league winners in the EuroLeague and the way media rights distribution favours the 11 clubs with franchises amounts to “anti-competitive behaviour” and the teams are acting as a cartel.

If the outcome of the case sides with ULEB, it could set a precedent that effectively means that any European Premier League could be stopped from getting off the ground.

“It has the potential to set a precedent whereby established leagues can take a competition law complaint against a breakaway,” Bailey said. 

“It is somewhat unusual to have leagues taking legal action as a result of some of the restrictions on clubs being able to get into a European league. I think what we might be seeing is a reinforcement of the principles of the European sporting model, potentially come through complaints that are already in train through the European Commission. One of the key principles is promotion and relegation. This may impact on any closed-league structure being permitted in football. 

“The EuroLeague granted long-term licences to each of the 11 shareholder clubs and so limited access to the league. I think you could start to see the potential resonance of the case.” 

In 2018, Uefa and the EU signed a new Memorandum of Understanding. The agreement stated that the Council of Europe and Uefa recognise that the European sports model “is based on sporting and financial solidarity mechanisms” citing “open competitions with a balance between clubs and national teams” and explicitly mentioning “the principle of promotion and relegation”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/21/exclusive-proposed-european-premier-league-could-illegal-eu/

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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

This comes up every few years, champions league format is up for discussion at the minute so it's back up again. Big clubs threaten this new league to get their way on the new format, uefa acqueiese, rinse and repeat in five years.

Amazed its given such credibility every time it happens. 

I can remember a European league being talked about c1999/2000. IIRC that charlatan that was running Leeds at the time was quite prominent in pushing for it.

The Old Firm supporters got really excited about it and took it as a done deal as I recall LOL


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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

This comes up every few years, champions league format is up for discussion at the minute so it's back up again. Big clubs threaten this new league to get their way on the new format, uefa acqueiese,  ROI lose a few games, calls made for a United Ireland team, tabloids get their click-bait, 'Ciaran from West Belfast' gets all excited on the Nolan Show, rinse and repeat in five years.

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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Amazed its given such credibility every time it happens. 
Quite.

P.S. Feel free to substitute "All-Ireland League" for "United Ireland team".
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