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John Nice
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Agree, but doesn't take away from the fact the Dutch should have scored at least 2 plus the late peno!
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John Nice
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Very hard to gauge the Dutch tonight given the absentees, we could have given tonight's Xi a game, but they were missing de Ligt, de Jong, Dumfries, Gakpo and a couple of others. Koeman set them up naively and thought he could go toe to toe with France with a weakened Xi. Never rated him as a manager which gives me some hope, but their first choice Xi is still pretty good!
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The O'Shea
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But it wasn't, it was 4-0? The French mullered the 6th ranked team in world, that is what happened.
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We're decent enough..
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schillaci
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In fairness its probably better than sounding pure Drogheda
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You Tell Me
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Ridiculous setup from the Dutch last night. As long as we set up with some sensible tactics it should be a very different game on Monday. We'll have to concede possession and territory and cut out the suicidal Kennyball at the back obviously. And close the space around the edge of the penalty area - Molumby needs to be told to stay deep to help Cullen with this. Similar to any major team coming to Dublin we need to be set up to shut them down rather than just trying to play our own game like the Dutch tried. Four midfielders (Cullen/Molumby/Knight/Smallbone) with Ferguson as a lone striker looks the obvious approach. Provided we do that it will be fine.
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Trap junior
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This rolling it out to the defenders standing on the 6 yard line craic
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Wheelo
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Is he back with a drogheda accent? He originally lost it very soon after going to Leeds- unlike uncle Gary
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"Not surprised you are anti foreigner in your so called Kip of a town when you don’t want a manager because he is Swedish and you want big Sam in charge" - a fine post from a fine ybig poster
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irish_major
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As if we haven't gone 10 at the back before and struggled against big teams. I do agree that we should play a 5-4-1 with the midfield mentioned. Definitely doesn't mean we'll be fine however. And as for playing out from the back, it definitely is more helpful to burn say a minute in possession than hoofing and giving it straight back to the French. People seem to have lost that concept
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Here we go again
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John Nice
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Tbf, the 6th ranked team shorn of half their starting XI and some of the lads that played looked like they might have had the virus/food poisoning or whatever it was themselves. Of course the French were still very very good, but they did give up several big chances!
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John Nice
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Agreed re the Dutch set up, naive particularly given their absentees. Molumby should be playing alongside Cullen as the right sided holder with Cullen on the left, one or the other should go out with Griezmann when he drops, with the other shifting central to pick up the runs of Rabiot, good communication will be key. The wide centre backs, likely Collins and O'Shea need to be aware of the little one twos the French play to get Mbappe/Coman in behind the wing backs and get out to those 2 quickly when they get in behind their wing back. I'm not sure about the midfield 4, I'm a big fan of Wills as you know, but getting in behind their full backs (where they look weakest) isnt really either of Knight or Smallbones' strong suit and unfortunately both are probably more comfortable on the RHS. Maybe we start that way, but the Dutch front 3 definitely troubled France a lot more than the scoreline would suggest, so maybe we start 5-4-1 to try and keep it tight for as long as possible and shift to a 5-2-3 later in the game. Also, we cant just hoof the ball long, I think we need to try and play out, most of the good Dutch chances came from beating the high (ish) press. The French tend to leave only 1 midfielder holding (Tchouameni) and if you can play your way around the press, they can be caught out for numbers deep. It's risky sure, but we have to try and provide a threat. No silly stuff, but as I say, we cant just hoof long and continually cede possession. Konate and Upamecano are both very strong in the air.
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John Nice
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Agreed, if we just hoof it long, it will be a very long night, Ferguson wont win a lot in the air up against Konate/Upamecano. I know he's big, but Evan does his best work with ball in to feet.
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Mr. Snrub
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Betting against your country. Disgusting
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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The O'Shea
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*France put 4 past the world number 6 side* World number 48 supporter - "oh yeah we'll have no issues at all so long as we cut out that ridiculous passing the ball business"
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We're decent enough..
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You Tell Me
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France away are generally very different to France at home. That said if we set up like the Dutch did they probably will put a load past us. I'm working on the basis that we will be more sensible than them. Couldn't rule anything out with the current management sadly and if we take a heavy beating I'd be 90% certain it will be because they've ballsed up the team setup yet again. That said, I don't actually think that will happen, judging by the Portugal games in the last group there is at least still some sign of pragmatism against the very top teams. And by "fine" I'm hardly meaning win the game...
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I think France will probably score on the night, perhaps one maybe two, so we'll need to score goals ourselves to get something out of the game. Talk of France winning 0-4 or 0-5 seems way OTT though - they're not 'that' good and we're not 'that' bad. We'd have to put in a dreadful shift to lose by that type of score at home.
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VanBosch
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I’m not sure, we could play well and still ship 4 or 5. Are be better than that depleted Dutch team? I don’t think so.
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J89
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Thing with France is if they score first they could just sit back and let us have the ball while still picking us off for another two.
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John Nice
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Truedat, important not to panic if we concede first and to stay focussed and stick to the game plan, the goal should be to get to the last 20 minutes no worse than a goal behind. We can see where we are at then and maybe decide to have a cut at them at that stage.
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