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Originally posted by Bonehead24 Bonehead24 wrote:

None of it will matter after we top the Euro Qualifying group anyway.

Too early to be saying that Stephen.
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https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/0279-1628176b348f-4ef8c4c59e6b-1000--uefa-euro-2024-qualifying-draw-procedure-approved/

Bump pretty much as expected. 
Ten Groups (7 with 5 teams, 3 with 6 - I'd imagine Germany will be added to one 5 team group not containing the UNL League A winners and will play friendlies)

Top 2 qualify from each group qualify.

Playoffs will be decided from the Nations League League Winners not qualified though it doesn't say it I've read elsewhere that the Group A spot will be handed down to League D winners should all those teams automatically qualify, so unlike Euro 2020 if we were to finish 2nd we wouldn't be guaranteed a playoff spot due to say all the League B winners qualifying (I could be wrong on this though) 


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Two big games in regards to seeding tonight for qualifiers

Hungary beat Germany they'll be guaranteed to be Top Seeds

and if Italy beat England, then England will be in Pot 2

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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Two big games in regards to seeding tonight for qualifiers

Hungary beat Germany they'll be guaranteed to be Top Seeds

and if Italy beat England, then England will be in Pot 2


Did I read somewhere that France could end up being 2nd seeds? Is there anywhere online you can see potential seedings/current standings?
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Two big games in regards to seeding tonight for qualifiers

Hungary beat Germany they'll be guaranteed to be Top Seeds

and if Italy beat England, then England will be in Pot 2



Did I read somewhere that France could end up being 2nd seeds? Is there anywhere online you can see potential seedings/current standings?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_UEFA_Nations_League_A#Overall_ranking

Top ten teams not including Germany in the overall rankings table will be top seeds. Frances win last night has lifted them back into pot 1. Can still slip back to pot two if Austria win their final game and France don't. England have to win tonight or its pot 2 for them which makes no difference for them personally with top two directly qualifying.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Two big games in regards to seeding tonight for qualifiers

Hungary beat Germany they'll be guaranteed to be Top Seeds

and if Italy beat England, then England will be in Pot 2


Did I read somewhere that France could end up being 2nd seeds? Is there anywhere online you can see potential seedings/current standings?


Teams ranked 1-11 (minus Germany) will be Pot 1
Teams ranked 12-21 will be Pot 2
Teams ranked 22-31 will be Pot 3
Teams ranked 33-42 will be Pot 4 (32nd ranked team is Russia they are banned)
Teams ranked 43-52 will pot 5
Teams ranked 53-55 will pot 6

With their win last night France have gone up to Pot 1.

To summarise all teams which finish in top 3 (bar the one who finish with the worst record of the League A 3rd place teams) will be Pot 1

All teams who are relegated from League A will be pot 2 (France were in relegation zone before last nights win)

Depending on the results of next few days France could well finish bottom or that worst record league A team.
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Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Two big games in regards to seeding tonight for qualifiers

Hungary beat Germany they'll be guaranteed to be Top Seeds

and if Italy beat England, then England will be in Pot 2



Did I read somewhere that France could end up being 2nd seeds? Is there anywhere online you can see potential seedings/current standings?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_UEFA_Nations_League_A#Overall_ranking

Top ten teams not including Germany in the overall rankings table will be top seeds. Frances win last night has lifted them back into pot 1. Can still slip back to pot two if Austria win their final game and France don't. England have to win tonight or its pot 2 for them which makes no difference for them personally with top two directly qualifying.

Yeah agree I don't think England will be bothered as they'd most likely qualify as one of the Top 2 anyway, but it still gives them a tougher game then they'd probably want.


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Question? Can we finish 3rd in our group on 10 points, but rank higher than Ukraine and/or Scotland in that table by virtue of having more points against the Top 3 in the Group? e.g. if we beat Scotland and they then beat Ukraine, they will top the Group, but will only have 6 pts vs our 7 when results against the bottom team are discounted? Is there not a scenario whereby we finish 3rd in the Group, but have 7 points vs the Scots 6 and Ukraine's 4 when the bottom team is discounted? That would be pretty unlucky, but I guess you gotta get your 6 points vs the weakest team.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Question? Can we finish 3rd in our group on 10 points, but rank higher than Ukraine and/or Scotland in that table by virtue of having more points against the Top 3 in the Group? e.g. if we beat Scotland and they then beat Ukraine, they will top the Group, but will only have 6 pts vs our 7 when results against the bottom team are discounted? Is there not a scenario whereby we finish 3rd in the Group, but have 7 points vs the Scots 6 and Ukraine's 4 when the bottom team is discounted? That would be pretty unlucky, but I guess you gotta get your 6 points vs the weakest team.

Nope if we finish 3rd we'd be Pot 3.

AFAIK


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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Question? Can we finish 3rd in our group on 10 points, but rank higher than Ukraine and/or Scotland in that table by virtue of having more points against the Top 3 in the Group? e.g. if we beat Scotland and they then beat Ukraine, they will top the Group, but will only have 6 pts vs our 7 when results against the bottom team are discounted? Is there not a scenario whereby we finish 3rd in the Group, but have 7 points vs the Scots 6 and Ukraine's 4 when the bottom team is discounted? That would be pretty unlucky, but I guess you gotta get your 6 points vs the weakest team.

Nope if we finish 3rd we'd be Pot 3.

AFAIK

So if we finish 2nd, we have a chance? Could 7pts from the 4 games be enough?
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Question? Can we finish 3rd in our group on 10 points, but rank higher than Ukraine and/or Scotland in that table by virtue of having more points against the Top 3 in the Group? e.g. if we beat Scotland and they then beat Ukraine, they will top the Group, but will only have 6 pts vs our 7 when results against the bottom team are discounted? Is there not a scenario whereby we finish 3rd in the Group, but have 7 points vs the Scots 6 and Ukraine's 4 when the bottom team is discounted? That would be pretty unlucky, but I guess you gotta get your 6 points vs the weakest team.

Nope if we finish 3rd we'd be Pot 3.

AFAIK

So if we finish 2nd, we have a chance? Could 7pts from the 4 games be enough?

Teams ranked 12-21 will be Pot 2

The 21st team is the highest ranked Second place team from League B currently Ukraine, We could of course still finish in this spot but it would also depend on other results around League B too, for example Serbia currently 23rd in the rankings have technically played a game less then Ukraine as 2 of their games were against Slovenia who are currently bottom.




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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Question? Can we finish 3rd in our group on 10 points, but rank higher than Ukraine and/or Scotland in that table by virtue of having more points against the Top 3 in the Group? e.g. if we beat Scotland and they then beat Ukraine, they will top the Group, but will only have 6 pts vs our 7 when results against the bottom team are discounted? Is there not a scenario whereby we finish 3rd in the Group, but have 7 points vs the Scots 6 and Ukraine's 4 when the bottom team is discounted? That would be pretty unlucky, but I guess you gotta get your 6 points vs the weakest team.


Nope if we finish 3rd we'd be Pot 3.

AFAIK



So if we finish 2nd, we have a chance? Could 7pts from the 4 games be enough?


If we finish as the best ranked second placed team I believe yes we'll be in pot 2.
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Looking at the rankings currently and I know they are subject to huge change in the coming week. There doesnt look to be a lot between the teams currently occupying the 2nd seed spots (with the exception of England) and those in the 3rd seed spots (who we'd avoid if we end up as appears likely 3rd seeds). From our pov, we would like to see France/ENgland/Italy end up as 1st seeds to avoid a possible group of death scenario, but otherwise getting 2nd seed vs 3rd seed status doesnt look to make that big of a difference in terms of potential opposition. There will be some weakish teams in Pot 2 and some strong teams in Pot 3 whom we will avoid.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Looking at the rankings currently and I know they are subject to huge change in the coming week. There doesnt look to be a lot between the teams currently occupying the 2nd seed spots (with the exception of England) and those in the 3rd seed spots (who we'd avoid if we end up as appears likely 3rd seeds). From our pov, we would like to see France/ENgland/Italy end up as 1st seeds to avoid a possible group of death scenario, but otherwise getting 2nd seed vs 3rd seed status doesnt look to make that big of a difference in terms of potential opposition. There will be some weakish teams in Pot 2 and some strong teams in Pot 3 whom we will avoid.


Yeah theres f**k all between Pots 2 and 3.

You could just as easily draw a Norway or Switzerland from Pot 2 or Ukraine or Serbia from Pot 3.

Its luck of the draw. Like our 2018 draw getting Wales from Pot 1, Austria from Pot 2 and Serbia from Pot 3. 4 teams with little between them.

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The qualifications wiki page actually shows you what pots teams can potentially still end up in as things stand.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024_qualifying#Draw

Of the League B teams Sweden are the only confirmed team for pot 3 as things stand and Wales the only confirmed team in pot 2.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Looking at the rankings currently and I know they are subject to huge change in the coming week. There doesnt look to be a lot between the teams currently occupying the 2nd seed spots (with the exception of England) and those in the 3rd seed spots (who we'd avoid if we end up as appears likely 3rd seeds). From our pov, we would like to see France/ENgland/Italy end up as 1st seeds to avoid a possible group of death scenario, but otherwise getting 2nd seed vs 3rd seed status doesnt look to make that big of a difference in terms of potential opposition. There will be some weakish teams in Pot 2 and some strong teams in Pot 3 whom we will avoid.

I agree i'd rather avoid the possibility of a group with say France and England being the Top 2

There's team in Pot 2 currently you'd want to avoid England as previously mentioned and maybe the Swiss (though we did take points from them last campaign we played them.

Let's all be honest of the current Pot 1 teams the only one we could realistically fancy getting points off would be Hungary (though they do seem to be in good form- [queue them getting hammered by Germany tonight LOL ] and Czechia 
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Looking at the rankings currently and I know they are subject to huge change in the coming week. There doesnt look to be a lot between the teams currently occupying the 2nd seed spots (with the exception of England) and those in the 3rd seed spots (who we'd avoid if we end up as appears likely 3rd seeds). From our pov, we would like to see France/ENgland/Italy end up as 1st seeds to avoid a possible group of death scenario, but otherwise getting 2nd seed vs 3rd seed status doesnt look to make that big of a difference in terms of potential opposition. There will be some weakish teams in Pot 2 and some strong teams in Pot 3 whom we will avoid.

I agree i'd rather avoid the possibility of a group with say France and England being the Top 2

There's team in Pot 2 currently you'd want to avoid England as previously mentioned and maybe the Swiss (though we did take points from them last campaign we played them.

Let's all be honest of the current Pot 1 teams the only one we could realistically fancy getting points off would be Hungary (though they do seem to be in good form- [queue them getting hammered by Germany tonight LOL ] and Czechia 

And as far as I can see there's still a chance Hungary end up bottom of that group if they lose their final 2 games vs Germany and Italy, particularly if England can beat the Italians tonight.
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Looking at the rankings currently and I know they are subject to huge change in the coming week. There doesnt look to be a lot between the teams currently occupying the 2nd seed spots (with the exception of England) and those in the 3rd seed spots (who we'd avoid if we end up as appears likely 3rd seeds). From our pov, we would like to see France/ENgland/Italy end up as 1st seeds to avoid a possible group of death scenario, but otherwise getting 2nd seed vs 3rd seed status doesnt look to make that big of a difference in terms of potential opposition. There will be some weakish teams in Pot 2 and some strong teams in Pot 3 whom we will avoid.

I agree i'd rather avoid the possibility of a group with say France and England being the Top 2

There's team in Pot 2 currently you'd want to avoid England as previously mentioned and maybe the Swiss (though we did take points from them last campaign we played them.

Let's all be honest of the current Pot 1 teams the only one we could realistically fancy getting points off would be Hungary (though they do seem to be in good form- [queue them getting hammered by Germany tonight LOL ] and Czechia 

Croatia (ageing) and Denmark are 2 other top seeds currently that we might fancy taking points off. We did after all take points off Portugal in the latest campaign and we were absolutely robbed over there. Tbf, our young team seems to be on an upward curve atm. (cue them getting hammered by Scotland tmw Smile)
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