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Originally posted by wanderer wanderer wrote:

Just on the nations league group, is it goal difference first that separates teams or head to head if we were to say finish on 4 with denmark


Head to head I believe
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Originally posted by wanderer wanderer wrote:

So what way does this work now ? To get 2nd seeds we have to hope wales beat denmark and then we beat denmark away ??
Just can't see it happening.

Fingers crossed the draw is kind to us as 3rd seeds
Yep. Wales to beat Denmark at home on the 16th of November to become the out and out winners of our group. Leaving us and Denmark to fight it out for 2nd on the 19th in Aarhus. 

But with Eriksen back for the Danes then, and with us currently running around like headless chickens on the pitch, I'll keep my eyes peeled to the sky to see if any pigs are flying by. 

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https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/1017/1004782-pot-3-what-does-it-means-for-euro-2020-qualifying/


We could get Wales again in the qualifying proper Dead

Only showing the 1st 4 pots as it stands. Based on that I'd be happy with Swiss as top seeds Austria as 2nd Seeds and Estonia as the 4th seeds

Can't find the potential  5th and 6th seeds as it stands anywhere 


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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

c. If a UEFA Nations League group winner has directly qualified for the final
tournament, the next best-ranked team in the relevant league ranking (see
Regulations of the UEFA Nations League
) which has not directly qualified will
enter the play-offs.
d. If fewer than four teams from one league enter the play-offs, the remaining
slots are allocated on the basis of the overall UEFA Nations League rankings
(see
Regulations of the UEFA Nations League
) to the best-ranked of the teams
that have not already qualified for the final tournament, subject to the
restriction that group winners cannot be in a play-off path with higher-ranked
teams.


At the moment we are 10th in the League B rankings, meaning we need

Bosnia, Ukraine, Russia,Wales, Denmark, Austria,Czech Rep, Turkey to qualify directly to be in the playoffs considering all the teams ranked 1-10 qualify too


Nah. Assuming we finish 10th in League B, that has us 22nd overall. However, there are two playoff paths above us. We simply need 14 of those 21 above us to qualify automatically. Ideally more of them than 14 qualify, because then we might actually have a chance in the playoffs, against the likes of Northern Ireland and Slovakia.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

c. If a UEFA Nations League group winner has directly qualified for the final
tournament, the next best-ranked team in the relevant league ranking (see
Regulations of the UEFA Nations League
) which has not directly qualified will
enter the play-offs.
d. If fewer than four teams from one league enter the play-offs, the remaining
slots are allocated on the basis of the overall UEFA Nations League rankings
(see
Regulations of the UEFA Nations League
) to the best-ranked of the teams
that have not already qualified for the final tournament, subject to the
restriction that group winners cannot be in a play-off path with higher-ranked
teams.


At the moment we are 10th in the League B rankings, meaning we need

Bosnia, Ukraine, Russia,Wales, Denmark, Austria,Czech Rep, Turkey to qualify directly to be in the playoffs considering all the teams ranked 1-10 qualify too


Nah. Assuming we finish 10th in League B, that has us 22nd overall. However, there are two playoff paths above us. We simply need 14 of those 21 above us to qualify automatically. Ideally more of them than 14 qualify, because then we might actually have a chance in the playoffs, against the likes of Northern Ireland and Slovakia.

So we're pretty much guaranteed a playoff because I reckon at least 12 of the above teams will qualify automatically
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:


https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/1017/1004782-pot-3-what-does-it-means-for-euro-2020-qualifying/


We could get Wales again in the qualifying proper Dead

Only showing the 1st 4 pots as it stands. Based on that I'd be happy with Swiss as top seeds Austria as 2nd Seeds and Estonia as the 4th seeds

Can't find the potential  5th and 6th seeds as it stands anywhere 

Even if you could hand pick all the teams from the various groups I still wouldn’t back us to qualify under the current set up. 
We have been dire for 2 years now. 

We need a favourable draw to give us a chance of qualifying.
Being 3rd seeds with no play-offs means no room for error.

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Well, it depends on where we ultimately finish in League B. If we are ranked 12th, there is a chance that maybe only 15 of the 23 teams above us qualify automatically, especially with some of those restrictions on the draw.

Now, that basically requires 5 of the League C and D teams finishing top two in their groups, which is kind of unlikely, but certainly possible. I can see a way, for example, for Serbia, Norway, Finland (12 points out of 12 in the Nations League), Israel and Montenegro could all finish top two in their groups, as third seeds. Certainly, there will be second seeds there for the taking by third seeds: Turkey, Austria, Iceland, Ukraine and Russia could all, conceivably, be second seeds but finish below those third seeds.

I appreciate it is unlikely that all five would happen but it is a possibility. Also, being in the playoffs is no guarantee of anything: imagine we were in playoffs away to Turkey first and then away to the winner of Iceland v Ukraine three days later. That is a perfectly possible playoff scenario but there is no way we would get through it.


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sweet jesus SD that is confusing as f**k. i'm about 80% with ya in all this. i need to read again for the 3rd time.... 
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Could playoffs not be held on neutral grounds?

Say League A- Germany- Semi finals in Gelsenkirchen and Dortmund final in Berlin

League B- Say in Sweden -Semi finals in Stockholm( Tele2 Arena) and Malmo Final in Friends Arena

League C Scotland Semi finals in Ibrox and Parkhead Final in Hampden

League D- Say in Azerbaijan or Georgia say

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Pretty sure the 2 higher ranked teams in the playoff semis get home advantage, then the final is played at a neutral venue. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Pretty sure the 2 higher ranked teams in the playoff semis get home advantage, then the final is played at a neutral venue. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

It'll be a home game for one of the finalists. Draw is done at same time as semifinal draw so they'll just have two balls in draw for final called "winner of Match A" and "winner of Match B" or something. You're right about the higher ranked teams in the semis getting home advantage.

Just looking at the current Nations League rankings and as it stands Ukraine would be at home to Russia in one of the League B playoffs. Wonder what they'd do in that scenario seeing as there's an agreement in place to separate the two in any qualifying draw.
 




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Originally posted by Colum Colum wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Pretty sure the 2 higher ranked teams in the playoff semis get home advantage, then the final is played at a neutral venue. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

It'll be a home game for one of the finalists. Draw is done at same time as semifinal draw so they'll just have two balls in draw for final called "winner of Match A" and "winner of Match B" or something. You're right about the higher ranked teams in the semis getting home advantage.

Just looking at the current Nations League rankings and as it stands Ukraine would be at home to Russia in one of the League B playoffs. Wonder what they'd do in that scenario seeing as there's an agreement in place to separate the two in any qualifying draw. 


Play it in neutral territory. That is, a place that is not 100% Russia or 100% Ukraine.

Donetsk it is.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Originally posted by Colum Colum wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Pretty sure the 2 higher ranked teams in the playoff semis get home advantage, then the final is played at a neutral venue. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

It'll be a home game for one of the finalists. Draw is done at same time as semifinal draw so they'll just have two balls in draw for final called "winner of Match A" and "winner of Match B" or something. You're right about the higher ranked teams in the semis getting home advantage.

Just looking at the current Nations League rankings and as it stands Ukraine would be at home to Russia in one of the League B playoffs. Wonder what they'd do in that scenario seeing as there's an agreement in place to separate the two in any qualifying draw. 


Play it in neutral territory. That is, a place that is not 100% Russia or 100% Ukraine.

Donetsk it is.


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I'd imagine it would be somewhere like Zurich 
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:


https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/1017/1004782-pot-3-what-does-it-means-for-euro-2020-qualifying/


We could get Wales again in the qualifying proper Dead

Only showing the 1st 4 pots as it stands. Based on that I'd be happy with Swiss as top seeds Austria as 2nd Seeds and Estonia as the 4th seeds

Can't find the potential  5th and 6th seeds as it stands anywhere 

Here ya go Den; tables here, scroll down to 'Overall Ranking' - as ever with Wiki, not 100% sure they are correct, but the league A & B ones look right, so the rest should be as well. 




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Where are we likely to be ranked for this?

I'm assuming pot 3.
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pot 3 
One hundred percent confirmed.

The games over next few days will clarify pots.

Germany could yet be pot 2
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying

We will be pot 3. There are still a few other changes with other teams.
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Originally posted by rolo rolo wrote:

pot 3 
One hundred percent confirmed.

The games over next few days will clarify pots.

Germany could yet be pot 2
So we could possibly get France and Germany in the same group? Dead

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