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Glasgow if we win group E, Copenhagen if 2nd and either Bilbao or Budapest id we're one of the top 3rd Clap....clearly winning the whole tournament
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Glasgow if we win group E, Copenhagen if 2nd and either Bilbao or Budapest id we're one of the top 3rd Clap....clearly winning the whole tournament
 
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Our group, all matches will be played in Bilbao or Dublin. So 2 matches per match day. The match day where we would have to play Spain, one of us would obviously need to travel.
I think if Spain and Ireland both qualify, they would do a draw to say which team gets the 3rd game at home. For example:
 

Spain

Czech Republic

Sweden

Republic of Ireland

 

Match Day 1

Bilbao:

Spain vs. Czech

 

Dublin:

Republic of Ireland vs. Sweden

 

Match Day 2

Bilbao:

Spain vs. Sweden

 

Dublin:

Republic of Ireland vs. Czech

 

Match Day 3

Bilbao:

Czech vs. Sweden

 

Dublin:

Republic of Ireland vs. Spain

 
No Spain and Ireland both get 2 at home and 1 away, the only draw that would be needed would be to see if we play Spain in Dublin or Bilbao. If we were to play them in Dublin, we'd have Sweden/Czech in Bilbao (in your example).

No chance we get all 3 at home.
But both Dublin and Bilbao have 3 games each , so I don't understand how it would work without either us or Spain getting all 3 group games at home?
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O.K. so what I am getting from this all is that if we manage to qualify we will be playing Spain, Sweden & Czech Republic in our group. Is this correct? 

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No Spain and Ireland both get 2 at home and 1 away, the only draw that would be needed would be to see if we play Spain in Dublin or Bilbao. If we were to play them in Dublin, we'd have Sweden/Czech in Bilbao (in your example).

No chance we get all 3 at home.
But both Dublin and Bilbao have 3 games each , so I don't understand how it would work without either us or Spain getting all 3 group games at home?[/QUOTE]

Yes the rule states a minimum of 2 games one country may play at home, you may play 3 depending on a draw done by UEFA

Like the other poster states


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Originally posted by houghton88 houghton88 wrote:

O.K. so what I am getting from this all is that if we manage to qualify we will be playing Spain, Sweden & Czech Republic in our group. Is this correct? 



No, Czech Republic and Sweden were used as an example

We would have Spain though as we are grouped with Bilbao

Each Group has two venues

    Group A: Rome (Italy) and Baku (Azerbaijan)
    Group B: Saint Petersburg (Russia) and Copenhagen (Denmark)
    Group C: Amsterdam (Netherlands) and Bucharest (Romania)
    Group D: London (England) and Glasgow (Scotland)
    Group E: Bilbao (Spain) and Dublin (Republic of Ireland)
    Group F: Munich (Germany) and Budapest (Hungary)
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Originally posted by houghton88 houghton88 wrote:

O.K. so what I am getting from this all is that if we manage to qualify we will be playing Spain, Sweden & Czech Republic in our group. Is this correct? 

 
Ok yeah just tried to work out if there was any way 2 teams could both get at least 2 games and only 2 games at home but doesn't seem to be a combination of that.
So yes think it's one team will get 2 at home but then the other will get 3
 
 


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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by houghton88 houghton88 wrote:

O.K. so what I am getting from this all is that if we manage to qualify we will be playing Spain, Sweden & Czech Republic in our group. Is this correct? 

 
Ok yeah just tried to work out if there was any way 2 teams could both get at least 2 games and only 2 games at home but doesn't seem to be a combination of that.
So yes think it's one team will get 2 at home but then the other will get 3
 
 


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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by houghton88 houghton88 wrote:

O.K. so what I am getting from this all is that if we manage to qualify we will be playing Spain, Sweden & Czech Republic in our group. Is this correct? 

 
Ok yeah just tried to work out if there was any way 2 teams could both get at least 2 games and only 2 games at home but doesn't seem to be a combination of that.
So yes think it's one team will get 2 at home but then the other will get 3
 
 


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Do the below fixtures not give ourselves and Spain 2 home games each?
 
IrelandCzech RepDublin
Ireland SwedenDublin
SwedenSpainDublin
SpainIrelandBilbao
SwedenCzech RepBilbao
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There seems to be no great clarity on it except we are guaranteed two home games and in the same group as Spain if we both qualify. But no where does it state that if we are drawn at home against Spain that we will have three home games and this is the confusing part, why make us travel to Bilbao to play when we play Spain in Dublin. So I recon if we draw Spain at home we will have three games in the Aviva.
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That does work, theoretically. However, it does not work on the basis that games are held basically simultaneously, or within a day of one another, with one in each city. So, for example, you can't have Spain v Ireland *and* Sweden v Czech Republic in Bilbao, or Ireland v Czech Republic and Sweden v Spain in Dublin.
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it does work
Round1
Sweden vs Ireland Dublin
Spain vs Czech Bilbao

Round2
Czech vs Ireland Dublin
Spain vs sweden Bilbao 

Round 3
Spain vs Ireland Dublin
Czech vs sweden Bilbao 


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Eh, Ireland are in Dublin three times there?

There is no way to make it work where:
Spain are at home 2/3 but not 3/3
Ireland are at home 2/3 but not 3/3
Neither stadium is used twice for one pair of fixtures

The maths simply do not work for that. Ever. It is always the case that one team plays three matches in one venue and the other three teams play two matches in the other venue and the third match in the first venue against the first team.

Look at Euro 2012: Spain played all their matches in Gdansk and we played two in Poznan, one in Gdansk. Same as Italy, same as Croatia. If we had played Spain in Poznan and Italy and Croatia had played each other in Gdansk, then the other three teams would have played 2/3 in Gdansk and we'd have had three in Poznan. It simply can't work any other way where you have two stadiums, three match days and one game per matchday in each stadium.
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if you read the UEFA draw on venues for euro 2020 it states that every host is guaranteed two home games but if you are drawn home against another host nation you could have three home games. So like I said Ireland would play Sweden Czech and Spain at home, Spain would play Sweden and Czech at home, that would be the mandate complete. what's the point of have Spain play against Czech in Dublin the same day Ireland play Sweden in Bolboa.
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there are three group games scheduled so why can't Ireland play in all three of them?
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Originally posted by Adobolo Adobolo wrote:

the point of have Spain play against Czech in Dublin the same day Ireland play Sweden in Bolboa.
You're going down a rocky road there...
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Adobolo Adobolo wrote:

the point of have Spain play against Czech in Dublin the same day Ireland play Sweden in Bolboa.
You're going down a rocky road there...

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