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BrendanD88
Roy Keane 99% of my posts are emojis Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Location: Co Down Status: Offline Points: 10018 |
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I got on with all the Danes I met in Copenhagen, maybe you were you just bit of a c**t?
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notpropaganda73
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I said I'd bad luck with ones I met, though in fairness none of them came up and suggested I was a **** without any prior interactions
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BrendanD88
Roy Keane 99% of my posts are emojis Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Location: Co Down Status: Offline Points: 10018 |
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Well if you had bad luck EVERY time we met I would be of the assumption that you were the problem.
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
Jack Charlton Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6615 |
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If we draw five games out of the last six then I'd suggest the ONE time we got spanked by them was an aberration and their arrogance is severely misplaced.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25097 |
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To be fair, they're still a much better side than us irrespective of the amount of draws we had. We were over the moon when we got them in the 2017 playoff draw as we over estimated ourselves and underestimated them. I certainly underestimated them anyway. They really should've beaten us in Copenhagen too. I thought at the time that they were just slightly better than us and we had a decent chance against them but teams like Denmark and Switzerland who qualify more often than we do are comfortably stronger than us.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32814 |
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lads holding grudges against other countries for the most flippant and trivial reasons is comical 😀😀😀
I think the average age of many of the posters on here at times is close to 15 judging by some of the posts. A Slovakian lad didn’t thank me when I held the door open for them in 2007 so I hope they lose tonight 😀😀😀
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AKA pedantic kunt
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Denis Irwin
Robbie Keane Stay Home & watch Lethal Weapon Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Ath Cliath Status: Offline Points: 37956 |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10674 |
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In fairness, in 2017 it was justifiable to believe that Denmark were no more than marginally better than us, even with the likes of Eriksen in their team. Especially, strange as it might seem, as by the time we played them were were missing our captain, holding midfielder, and key striker. Between 2014-2017 we had a lot of decent results under our belt, and apart from the Belgium game in 2016 we never looked like we lacked for resilience. Also, Denmark had not qualified for anything since Euro 2012, so were dark horses in many respects. Yes, the results speak to us being more even than we might look on paper, but we know that any shift in the equilibrium of the team, and the Danes have our number. The type of football we had to play in order to get the draws in 2018 and 2019 naturally came under criticism especially as we had something like three shots on target over the two games in 2018, and four corners. We defended with out lives. With MM we could hold it together, and hit them on the break, but that was to do with systems, rather than players. The Danes have had the upper hand in every one of those games, and in some cases, overwhelmingly. But they cant seem to close it out, and that is undoubtedly part of the familiarity they have with us, and know how we can stifle them.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25097 |
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Would agree with a lot of that and as for the bit in bold, I think with the way Kenny wants us to play, we've lost that defensive solidity that we had under previous managers. If we're going to come out of our shell and play a less direct style, we're going to concede more goals. I'm afraid we don't have the players to score the goals that would mitigate against this with our more exposed defence. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Roberto Baggio
Robbie Keane UNBELIEVABLE JEFF Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 37344 |
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Was watching Finland the other night, they never once played a long ball out from defence and tried to play out every time. Belgium were a lot better than them and therefore Finland barely got the ball into the oppositions final third the whole game.
They didn't get a corner in the match. You won't see that type of football working that often when up against a better team.
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Het-field
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And from what I can see from the feast of football coming from Europe and South America at the moment is that strong defence remains integral to staying competitive. This goes back to my view that we cant just keep playing the system we are, with the players we have and expect different results when some sort of eureka moment occurs. Like in McCarthy's first stint there has to be trial and error, and that will include a clutch of players who probably won't be involved after a certain point. With a traditional style of defensive system (in an Irish way) we potentially scrape a draw in Belgrade, and we at least take a slightly embarrassing 0-0 against Luxembourg. With this more open style we conceded four, and lost both. RB makes an interesting point about Finland, and in Pukki they have a functional and seasoned striker. But its alright and fine knocking the ball around a bit in defence, or deep in midfield, but without the necessary incision you won't beat stout midfielder, or defenders, and as a result you are just trying to play football, and I'm not sold on the mentality of "at least we're trying". Especially if this trying just leads to more dour draws or defeats to teams like Luxembourg.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25097 |
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Exactly. The quality will come through at some stage when you're playing against superior opposition. I know it was fookin rubbish to watch us play under MON/Trap/McCarthy (2nd stint) over the years but it was generally competitive, practical and effective meaning if we didn't win the game, we didn't lose it too often either. I appreciate their pragmatic approach even more given where we are at the moment. I felt a bit optimistic after our solid performance in the Hungary friendly but watching these euros shows how poor we really are. I couldn't see us beating any side at these euros at the moment under Kenny's style if truth be told. I think the best part of Kenny's legacy will be his achievements off the pitch with Ireland in having a more organic link between our underage sides and the senior team where there looks to be more of a production line of talent coming through of Irish born players. That's a huge asset to have and makes a little less reliant on British/foreign born players who engage in the neverending 'will I, won't I' play for Ireland sagas.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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irishmufc
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Totally agree and I hope we're both wrong when it comes to Kenny over the next couole of years. First and foremost our playing style needs to be effective in acheiving results.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Het-field
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I actually believe, in the hypothetical, had we made it to the Euros, and had all the players available to us that were there in the opening days of the Kenny regime (McCarthy holding, McGoldrick up top), and the likes of Duffy in form, I think we would have held our own. It may have raised questions as to being a little toothless, but I don't think we would have been embarrassed, or that a replication of Euro 2012 was in store.
The difference is that it went another way after the Slovakia game, and it seems that HR issues raised their head in the camp, alongside a range of injuries, retirements, form loss etc, which culminated in the March set of fixtures, and I think under current circumstances, no matter what group we were in, we would have had a rough ride.
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Het-field
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And the thing is, if the football we were watching hadn't been so conservative for so long, I think the footballing public would see benefits to a more defensive style. And in many respects, aspects of the conservative approach pre-date Trap. The efforts to qualify for WC 2006 had very noticeable moments of restrictive football, particularly the second half in Tel Aviv, the substitution of Kavanagh for Keane, or the selection against the Swiss in Dublin in October 05. Over these years, a freer approach would probably have engendered better results, particularly as we saw in France in 2009. The difference is, unlike previous managers who under-estimated our players abilities, and became so results orienteered it made the football difficult watch, we now don't have the players at the ready to change styles (at least dramatically). And to your point about the Hungary game, there are little green shoots. And this may result in understanding the need for lads like Duffy to be first names on the team sheet, even if we want to see combinations of younger players, or whatever. I think it will be tough, but my hope is Kenny has not only learned from his first year in charge, but now has a greater understanding of the hybrid style that will probably be necessary, and indeed the identity of the players he wants to pick, even those who might appear to be ready to be put out to pasture. |
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You Tell Me
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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Watching Croatia play Scotland last night, they're just so comfortable on the ball, they can play that way because they're technically good enough to do it. We're not technically at that level, even England trying to play that way at the moment - it's working to some extent because of the overall quality of player they have but it's not their natural game and you can see it when they play, it all looks very slow and ponderous. They'll most likely get found out in the knockout stages because they're not playing a style that matches their strengths.
Looking at our younger players and recently our under 21s also, they're not technically at that level either - they're good footballers but they'll never be technically proficient enough to play that short passing, out from the back style that the likes of Croatia and Spain are more natural at. So, it's not as though we can play this way and just wait for more technically gifted players to filter through, while the next generation look better players they're not comfortable enough on the ball to play that style either. Hopefully Kenny can see this and move us towards a more mixed style of play that suits the players we have. I'm not convinced he will do that - but he has a few more games to show that he has adapted to the standard of opposition we are playing and can set us up in a way that gets the most from the players we have.
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thebronze14
Jack Charlton Derry City Til I Die Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Dublin/Donegal Status: Offline Points: 7179 |
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Look at our team though...No matter what way we would play we are going to be gash. That's sadly the reality of it...And people are thinking we are trying to play a much more expansive brand of football than we actually are
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