English FA Cup 2017/18

Hans Moleman wrote: pre Madonna wrote: The f**king about with the offside rule has been worse. I can see both sides of the debate on this one. there has been loads of bad changes to the rules in the past few years. Agree that the offside is now very messy. This rule with the yellow for a foul in the box is a free pass for defenders to foul in the box imo. They know they'll hardly ever see a red, so it's a massively regressive rule.

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Giving away a penalty is a free pass  Personally I think the rule tweak is correct, I think it’s far better to watch the defending player attempt the tackle than to run along side the attacking player too scared to do anything. 

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It is a free pass for the defender or keeper to now make a foul in the box. A foul that may look like a genuine attempt to play the ball, but just like Jones instance yesterday, he knows well he's going to foul. He believes Hazard will score so he makes the foul. Now he's only on a yellow and his keeper has a  chance to save the resulting penalty. The real deterrent in this situation is totally gone.The situation where a keeper comes out sliding now and takes out a striker in a one on one - good chance the striker nudges the ball around the keeper and would proceed to roll the ball into an empty net with a decent touch. Keeper will now take him out every single time. Why, because if there's a 1 percent chance of getting to the ball, he has a free pass at doing that. It will not result in a red card anymore, and he can then attempt to save the penalty. Btw I would say it's roughly about 1 in 4 pens on average that are saved. That's a decent amount. Simply put, before this woeful rule change there was a serious deterrent for defenders and keepers to act recklessly in their own box, now it has swung totally the other way. I'm amazed every time I hear how good a rule change this was.

So giving a player a 75% chance to score (going by your made up statistic, and excluding the chance that they will miss the target) is a free pass?

Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: MC Hammered wrote: I think it's a decent rule. There's no guarantee that the attacker is going to score his chance so a peno is fair after the foul. The ref can still issue a red card if the offence warrants it but a yellow should be sufficient if there is a genuine attempt to win the ball  I think yesterday Jones should have trusted his keeper. At that angle it would have been difficult for Hazard to score. At best it’s a 50% chance. Hazard was definitely waiting for the tackle. Whereas the peno is around 80% chance to score. I think the new rule is good. A red card and peno can ruin a game after 2 mins. Then the player gets a 3 match ban for miss timing one tackle. It’s too harsh in all cases. Maybe the refs need to issue more reds when feel there was no intention to win the ball which is your point hans.

Well that is exactly my point, as I've said in an earlier post. The problem with the law is not the law itself, it's the fact that it's a cop out that was going to always be used by refs. If Jones tackle yesterday was given as a red card, and such tackles always were, I agree it's fine as a rule. If every keeper charging out knowing they aren't getting to the ball and taking down the attacker, ended up getting a red it would be a great ruling. That's not what has happened though, the refs have used it as a total cop out and all these red card offences are blanket yellow card offences across the board. There is only one high profile red I can remember in this situation in the past 2 years (Koscielny against Bayern), and even then the analysis and commentary iirc were saying it was a yellow under the newer rule change. It was a blatant red for Koscielny and the rule was applied properly. It is an awful rule, simply because of it's application. It's a cop out for refs and they use it every single time. More to the point though, defenders and keepers know they will cop out every single time by giving a yellow (the deterrent that was there before has been totally removed, you would now be an idiot of a gk or defender not to make a lunge or whatever desperate attempt to win the ball). My use of the term free pass is probably wrong, it is just in comparison to the previous laws it feels like that to me.

Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: MC Hammered wrote: I think it's a decent rule. There's no guarantee that the attacker is going to score his chance so a peno is fair after the foul. The ref can still issue a red card if the offence warrants it but a yellow should be sufficient if there is a genuine attempt to win the ball  I think yesterday Jones should have trusted his keeper. At that angle it would have been difficult for Hazard to score. At best it’s a 50% chance. Hazard was definitely waiting for the tackle. Whereas the peno is around 80% chance to score. I think the new rule is good. A red card and peno can ruin a game after 2 mins. Then the player gets a 3 match ban for miss timing one tackle. It’s too harsh in all cases. Maybe the refs need to issue more reds when feel there was no intention to win the ball which is your point hans.

Hans Moleman wrote: Reildogg wrote: Hans Moleman wrote: pre Madonna wrote: The f**king about with the offside rule has been worse. I can see both sides of the debate on this one. there has been loads of bad changes to the rules in the past few years. Agree that the offside is now very messy. This rule with the yellow for a foul in the box is a free pass for defenders to foul in the box imo. They know they'll hardly ever see a red, so it's a massively regressive rule. A free pass for defenders to foul in the box!? As in a free pass to give away a penalty (i.e. not a free pass)? Outside of the clear absence of logic, in the two years since the rule was brought in, there has been absolutely no evidence of this happening Absolutely no evidence of what exactly? The fact that players aren't sent off when they should be? Or the fact that the forwards advantage is now totally gone. Before a defender would think twice before lunging in for a ball they know 99 percent of the time they won't, or cannot get. Now defenders do not hesitate, the rule ensures the red card will hardly ever come your way. I've been banging this drum since the minute the rule change came in and I still can't believe how many think this change was a positive step for the game. It was a massively regressive rule change, and has allowed referees to cop out of decision after decision when fouls occur in the box. In terms of defenders, you would now be an absolute idiot not to attempt to win the ball in a situation like today, even though you are almost certain you cannot do so. It's a free pass as the chances of the forward scoring are massively high. Since a 1 percent shot of winning the ball is now considered a genuine attempt to play the ball by the ref, you as the defender now get a yellow and your keeper gets the chance to save the penalty. Do you actually think this rule change was a positive step for football?