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Nevin spoke about the Scotland v Ireland game at Hampden in 1987 in an Off The Ball programme in Glasgow with Ray Houghton. He said his Dad met him after the game with a big smile on his face after being in the Ireland end during the game, despite the fact that his son was playing for Scotland. Declan Rice's Dad sounds like he would do something similar.

Anti Irish sentiment is still much more prevalent in the West of Scotland today than in England, where the days of "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish" are thankfully a thing of the past. I can totally understand why McGeady and McCarthy chose to play for Ireland having been ignored by Scotland at junior levels.

Nevin wouldn't have got in our team in 1987.The team we put out that night is possibly our strongest ever line up. Houghton was much better than Nevin and they played in the same position.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

I was listening to a radio interview with Pat Nevin on the subject of Declan Rice the other day.

He was broadly sympathetic to him, mentioning his own experience.

Apparently he was brought up in a strong Irish family eg christened "Patrick Kevin Francis Michael Nevin"; holidayed in Ireland as a kid; proud of his roots; (Scottish-born) father delighted when ROI beat Scotland in Glasgow in a qualifier, even though his son was in the Scotland XI etc

And if ever asked/good enough, all five of his siblings would have chosen ROI over Scotland "in a heartbeat".

Yet when his Da put it to him when it came to Pat to decide, he never even thought of choosing ROI, it was Scotland (only) for him.


Heard that podcast too. What Nevin neglected to mention was DR having played 3 games at senior level and umpteen games at underage level for the old sod. So Nevin's situation is not a true comparison. Alan Kernaghan on the other hand.........
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Pat Nevin is a soup taking asswipe
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Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

Pat Nevin is a soup taking asswipe
You're blaming him for preferring Scotch Broth, then?

Or maybe it's this...

Former Scotland international Pat Nevin has told MSPs he was “driven away” from the football club he loved after hearing sectarian chants from Celtic fans when he was at Parkhead with his young son. He also revealed the “intimidation” he felt after being targeted by the club and its fans when he criticised their chanting live on air at this season’s Scottish cup final.

 Nevin, now a media pundit, told MSPs he had grown up in the east end of Glasgow, where the club is based, and was part of the area’s Irish catholic Diaspora. “I supported Celtic for most of my life,” he said. “But one day, I found myself sitting in the stand with my son, who had started to take an interest in football, hearing the song Ooh ah, up the RA. “I could not accept bringing up my son alongside that, so I was driven away from the club that I loved. I was very disappointed about that.”

 Nevin was commentating for the BBC at this year’s cup final between Celtic and Dundee United when he provoked the ire of the club when he hit out at a section of their fans over their chants. He told MSPs: “The song went something like, ‘As a young man, I’m going to join the IRA – provisional wing’. “It offended me and I do not want to hear it at a football ground. “I was shocked and surprised that Celtic Football Club and a great number of fans complained to the BBC, because I expect to hear them say that they do not want to hear that sort of song at their ground.”

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/celtic-fans-ira-chants-drove-me-away-from-the-club-i-love-says-nevin-1-1830310

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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

I was listening to a radio interview with Pat Nevin on the subject of Declan Rice the other day.

He was broadly sympathetic to him, mentioning his own experience.

Apparently he was brought up in a strong Irish family eg christened "Patrick Kevin Francis Michael Nevin"; holidayed in Ireland as a kid; proud of his roots; (Scottish-born) father delighted when ROI beat Scotland in Glasgow in a qualifier, even though his son was in the Scotland XI etc

And if ever asked/good enough, all five of his siblings would have chosen ROI over Scotland "in a heartbeat".

Yet when his Da put it to him when it came to Pat to decide, he never even thought of choosing ROI, it was Scotland (only) for him.


Heard that podcast too. What Nevin neglected to mention was DR having played 3 games at senior level and umpteen games at underage level for the old sod. So Nevin's situation is not a true comparison. Alan Kernaghan on the other hand.........
What was the podcast?
you were probably told to leave an Irish centre one night but kept mouthing off and some big church going Gaa player f**ked you out the door hence your hatred for the Catholic Church and Gaa aswell!
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Steve Clarke was abused by the huns last night with sectarian chanting.  Told the reporters sarcastically ''its great to be back in Scotland.''  Also said ''thank God Chelsea took me away from west Scotland''. ''Thankfully my kids never had to put up with this crap as they grew up in London''.

Terry what is the point in digging up this sh*te?  

Shock horror there is chanting on both sides.  Who would have thought.


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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

I was listening to a radio interview with Pat Nevin on the subject of Declan Rice the other day.

He was broadly sympathetic to him, mentioning his own experience.

Apparently he was brought up in a strong Irish family eg christened "Patrick Kevin Francis Michael Nevin"; holidayed in Ireland as a kid; proud of his roots; (Scottish-born) father delighted when ROI beat Scotland in Glasgow in a qualifier, even though his son was in the Scotland XI etc

And if ever asked/good enough, all five of his siblings would have chosen ROI over Scotland "in a heartbeat".

Yet when his Da put it to him when it came to Pat to decide, he never even thought of choosing ROI, it was Scotland (only) for him.


Heard that podcast too. What Nevin neglected to mention was DR having played 3 games at senior level and umpteen games at underage level for the old sod. So Nevin's situation is not a true comparison. Alan Kernaghan on the other hand.........
What was the podcast?
Here:
(1 min 50 secs in)
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Terry what is the point in digging up this sh*te?   
I didn't "drag up" any sh*te.

If you look back through the thread, you'll see I brought up Pat Nevin, in the context of his comments on Declan Rice. Nevin's comments and mine were both relevant to the thread and wholly unexceptional, with no ordure whatever.

Then out of the blue, sorry, green and white, good old Tony flew in with:
"Pat Nevin is a soup taking asswipe"

Intrigued as to why Nevin should provoke such a reaction, I went to his Wiki page, where I saw the offending article which I quoted.

Meanwhile, you'll find it was others who dragged up Clarke, Boyd and the rest.

But heyho, if in doubt, blame the Partick Thistle* fan... Wink



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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

I was listening to a radio interview with Pat Nevin on the subject of Declan Rice the other day.

He was broadly sympathetic to him, mentioning his own experience.

Apparently he was brought up in a strong Irish family eg christened "Patrick Kevin Francis Michael Nevin"; holidayed in Ireland as a kid; proud of his roots; (Scottish-born) father delighted when ROI beat Scotland in Glasgow in a qualifier, even though his son was in the Scotland XI etc

And if ever asked/good enough, all five of his siblings would have chosen ROI over Scotland "in a heartbeat".

Yet when his Da put it to him when it came to Pat to decide, he never even thought of choosing ROI, it was Scotland (only) for him.


Heard that podcast too. What Nevin neglected to mention was DR having played 3 games at senior level and umpteen games at underage level for the old sod. So Nevin's situation is not a true comparison. Alan Kernaghan on the other hand.........
What was the podcast?
Last Fridays BBC world service World Football pod. Tomorrow's pod, Nevin is on about sectarianism in Scottish football.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

Pat Nevin is a soup taking asswipe
You're blaming him for preferring Scotch Broth, then?

Or maybe it's this...

Former Scotland international Pat Nevin has told MSPs he was “driven away” from the football club he loved after hearing sectarian chants from Celtic fans when he was at Parkhead with his young son. He also revealed the “intimidation” he felt after being targeted by the club and its fans when he criticised their chanting live on air at this season’s Scottish cup final.

 Nevin, now a media pundit, told MSPs he had grown up in the east end of Glasgow, where the club is based, and was part of the area’s Irish catholic Diaspora. “I supported Celtic for most of my life,” he said. “But one day, I found myself sitting in the stand with my son, who had started to take an interest in football, hearing the song Ooh ah, up the RA. “I could not accept bringing up my son alongside that, so I was driven away from the club that I loved. I was very disappointed about that.”

 Nevin was commentating for the BBC at this year’s cup final between Celtic and Dundee United when he provoked the ire of the club when he hit out at a section of their fans over their chants. He told MSPs: “The song went something like, ‘As a young man, I’m going to join the IRA – provisional wing’. “It offended me and I do not want to hear it at a football ground. “I was shocked and surprised that Celtic Football Club and a great number of fans complained to the BBC, because I expect to hear them say that they do not want to hear that sort of song at their ground.”

Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/celtic-fans-ira-chants-drove-me-away-from-the-club-i-love-says-nevin-1-1830310

And Nevin now follows hibs, club with worst hooligan mob in Scotland.Smile
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

I was listening to a radio interview with Pat Nevin on the subject of Declan Rice the other day.

He was broadly sympathetic to him, mentioning his own experience.

Apparently he was brought up in a strong Irish family eg christened "Patrick Kevin Francis Michael Nevin"; holidayed in Ireland as a kid; proud of his roots; (Scottish-born) father delighted when ROI beat Scotland in Glasgow in a qualifier, even though his son was in the Scotland XI etc

And if ever asked/good enough, all five of his siblings would have chosen ROI over Scotland "in a heartbeat".

Yet when his Da put it to him when it came to Pat to decide, he never even thought of choosing ROI, it was Scotland (only) for him.


Heard that podcast too. What Nevin neglected to mention was DR having played 3 games at senior level and umpteen games at underage level for the old sod. So Nevin's situation is not a true comparison. Alan Kernaghan on the other hand.........
What was the podcast?
Last Fridays BBC world service World Football pod. Tomorrow's pod, Nevin is on about sectarianism in Scottish football.
Just had a listen, cheers. 
you were probably told to leave an Irish centre one night but kept mouthing off and some big church going Gaa player f**ked you out the door hence your hatred for the Catholic Church and Gaa aswell!
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Life is full of contraductions anomalies etc.

Its like trying to explain to a provo RA Celtic head that you are a Protestant Republican and see how confused they get.

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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

I was listening to a radio interview with Pat Nevin on the subject of Declan Rice the other day.

He was broadly sympathetic to him, mentioning his own experience.

Apparently he was brought up in a strong Irish family eg christened "Patrick Kevin Francis Michael Nevin"; holidayed in Ireland as a kid; proud of his roots; (Scottish-born) father delighted when ROI beat Scotland in Glasgow in a qualifier, even though his son was in the Scotland XI etc

And if ever asked/good enough, all five of his siblings would have chosen ROI over Scotland "in a heartbeat".

Yet when his Da put it to him when it came to Pat to decide, he never even thought of choosing ROI, it was Scotland (only) for him.


Heard that podcast too. What Nevin neglected to mention was DR having played 3 games at senior level and umpteen games at underage level for the old sod. So Nevin's situation is not a true comparison. Alan Kernaghan on the other hand.........
What was the podcast?
Last Fridays BBC world service World Football pod. Tomorrow's pod, Nevin is on about sectarianism in Scottish football.

If it's about sectarianism is it called a prodcast?
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Manuel Pellegrini seems impressed:

West Ham's Declan Rice is outperforming England's other holding midfielders, says Hammers manager Manuel Pellegrini.

The 20-year-old has played 59 times for the Hammers, and Pellegrini believes he is ready for an England call-up.

"As a young player he will always be learning, but at this moment I think he is a complete player," he said.

"At this moment, his performances are better than every English holding midfielder."

(More here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47323633 )

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Last week I said that Declan Rice would turn out to be a Jordan Henderson type player. 

After seeing this, I feel vindicated in my view that he will be the new English Modric.

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