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Pace is hugely important for a CB. If you have little or no pace as a CB, your team set up and tactics are extremely limited. Especially if you are playing for sides who like to be on the front foot, like England would. Or Man City, who he was recently linked with.
"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Paddy Power odds are not indicative on anything in this situation. 

Fairly sure this market falls under the term ‘novelty betting’. 



I've been betting a long time and it's rear paddy gets it wrong with odds like that 

PP have nothing to lose with those odds, so why not?  More importantly as far as actual likelihoods are concerned would be "what are the odds that Rice will declare for Ireland?".

If PP are willing to shed out a lot of cash on that eventuality, I fear we are in trouble. 

These novelty markets are just for publicity - That's what stakes are extremely limited and why when there are a number of bets in a short space of time, the markets get pulled and then reinstated with drastically amended odds. 



For the record, he's long odds (10/3) to play for us.  

If they're limited stakes, it might make sense from a publicity view for PP to give odds regardless of likelihoods.

But I imagine they're not likely to want to shell out three times your money on substantial bets if they've got it wrong.  In which case, they may have a firm idea. 
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Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Paddy Power odds are not indicative on anything in this situation. 

Fairly sure this market falls under the term ‘novelty betting’. 



I've been betting a long time and it's rear paddy gets it wrong with odds like that 

PP have nothing to lose with those odds, so why not?  More importantly as far as actual likelihoods are concerned would be "what are the odds that Rice will declare for Ireland?".

If PP are willing to shed out a lot of cash on that eventuality, I fear we are in trouble. 

These novelty markets are just for publicity - That's what stakes are extremely limited and why when there are a number of bets in a short space of time, the markets get pulled and then reinstated with drastically amended odds. 



No one has a clue what his decision is going to be until he releases a statement . I think everyone is presuming England because they have bigger name players and are more than likely going to be more successful than us in tournaments . Come on Declan surprise us all . 

I really don't get how so many keep saying that no one has an idea what his decision will be until he releases a statement. 

Declan Rice released the most important statement he ever could as regards us a few months ago, when he made himself unavailable for numerous squads selections when fit. Why is this, by far the most important fact in this whole scenario, so willingly overlooked time and time again.
"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

He's not quick enough to play for a top 6 team as a defender so it's a strange decision from Southgate to say he sees him as a defender, especially as he's starting to establish himself as a very good holding midfielder.

Took his goal very well, and used the ball well throughout the game. It'll be a sickener to lose him when he makes the seemingly inevitable decision to defect.

Make no mistake he will play for a top 6 team. He's 19 and he's a regular starter for a prem league team. How many 19 year olds can you name starting every week in the premier league.  He's going to be a top player . 
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Pace is hugely important for a CB. If you have little or no pace as a CB, your team set up and tactics are extremely limited. Especially if you are playing for sides who like to be on the front foot, like England would. Or Man City, who he was recently linked with.

Is he really that slow?
Would Harry McGuire have any pace carrying that head?

Surely positioning and reading of the game is more important.

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Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Paddy Power odds are not indicative on anything in this situation. 

Fairly sure this market falls under the term ‘novelty betting’. 



I've been betting a long time and it's rear paddy gets it wrong with odds like that 

PP have nothing to lose with those odds, so why not?  More importantly as far as actual likelihoods are concerned would be "what are the odds that Rice will declare for Ireland?".

If PP are willing to shed out a lot of cash on that eventuality, I fear we are in trouble. 

These novelty markets are just for publicity - That's what stakes are extremely limited and why when there are a number of bets in a short space of time, the markets get pulled and then reinstated with drastically amended odds. 



For the record, he's long odds (10/3) to play for us.  

If they're limited stakes, it might make sense from a publicity view for PP to give odds regardless of likelihoods.

But I imagine they're not likely to want to shell out three times your money on substantial bets if they've got it wrong.  In which case, they may have a firm idea. 

This is the whole point of having these markets. It's like Next Manager markets etc. Bookies never lose much money on these markets.
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Originally posted by Long Shot Long Shot wrote:


Jermaine Jones played 3 friendlies for Germany before switching to the USA 

That was your typical example of a player falling out of favour with one country and then making the change. Germany had simply stopped playing him and Low stated publicly that Jones was no longer in his plans.
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I saw other clubs mentioned but it would have been disrespectful of me to have considered leaving West Ham and my team-mates. My intentions were always to stay here and I feel this is the best place for me. 

This was his quote when asked about signing a new contract at West Ham. So now, will he apply same logic to the international situation?
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Will his goal be at included in the weekly list of Irish Scorers on here?
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Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Paddy Power odds are not indicative on anything in this situation. 

Fairly sure this market falls under the term ‘novelty betting’. 



I've been betting a long time and it's rear paddy gets it wrong with odds like that 

These odds can literally go up and down on the basis of someone wagering 10-20 euro.

A few weeks ago Rice was odds on to play for Ireland, then England, then Ireland and now England again.

Whether he plays for England or Ireland, Paddy Power or your average joe punter has nothing to do with it.

Anyone betting on this market needs to have their head examined.
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Pace is hugely important for a CB. If you have little or no pace as a CB, your team set up and tactics are extremely limited. Especially if you are playing for sides who like to be on the front foot, like England would. Or Man City, who he was recently linked with.

Is he really that slow?
Would Harry McGuire have any pace carrying that head?

Surely positioning and reading of the game is more important.

No I don't think he's that slow. He isn't very fast either though from what I've seen of him. You would definitely get more exposed as a CB for pace in a "bigger" side imo. He could be so good back there that his positioning will make it all look easy anyway.

Either way, he's already showing that he has most of the attributes needed to be a top level CM. 
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He's slow, he lacks strength, and he's useless in the air. A centre-back he is not. Central midfield is blatently his best position, it suits the attributes he does have.
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:


These odds can literally go up and down on the basis of someone wagering 10-20 euro.

A few weeks ago Rice was odds on to play for Ireland, then England, then Ireland and now England again.

Whether he plays for England or Ireland, Paddy Power or your average joe punter has nothing to do with it.

Anyone betting on this market needs to have their head examined.

Yes, it's only a novelty football market. You might as well be betting on Mick McCarthy having a Christmas No.1 or something. I wouldn't pay any attention to the odds.
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The Hindu Times saying Declan is Irish.  He won't like that.



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Borussia, fair enough re PP market.  If it's limited stakes, then they are just doing it for publicity and entertainment reasons and not looking to make money off of it, so not to be taken seriously.


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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He's slow, he lacks strength, and he's useless in the air. A centre-back he is not. Central midfield is blatently his best position, it suits the attributes he does have.

Bizarre post. Even if this was sarcastic it wouldn't make sense.
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

He's slow, he lacks strength, and he's useless in the air. A centre-back he is not. Central midfield is blatently his best position, it suits the attributes he does have.

Bizarre post. Even if this was sarcastic it wouldn't make sense.

It's not sarcastic, he is slow, he is lightweight, and he isn't good in the air. His strengths are his composure on the ball and his passing, which make him better suited to midfield than defence.
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