Declan Rice

TonyNotJack wrote: Kevin Kilbane names what he thinks are the English born players who would have always played for Ireland and never considered England : Himself Gary Breen Alan Mclaughlin David Connolly Rory Delap I found Delap the most surprising.

its McLoughlin 

Edited by Trigboy 10 - 30 Aug 2018 at 9:47pm

Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: TonyNotJack wrote: Kevin Kilbane names what he thinks are the English born players who would have always played for Ireland and never considered England : Himself Gary Breen Alan Mclaughlin David Connolly Rory Delap I found Delap the most surprising I assume they all qualified through their parents rather than grandparents?

Himself

NewtNewbie wrote: Let's not kid ourselves here; he's gone and it's time to let go. He's refusing to play for the U-21s in two hugely important qualifying games even though that wouldn't be tying him to anything.

He's a senior national now.
Playing u21's is a backward step, he hypothetically would have started the game next week against Wales.

Even if he did play for the u21's, and ended up deciding to play for England, it would be a serious case of rubbing our noses in it, which I doubt he would do.

I genuinely think he's put under serious pressure because of the club situation.

He's still a very young lad probably being coerced in making a decision he's not comfortable with, hopefully with a bit of time and space, he'll make the correct decision.





Edited by horsebox - 30 Aug 2018 at 9:06pm

scottyccfc wrote: I said this after Grealish and got hammered but I still believe it. Under 21 squads should only be domestic based players (From any national background with Irish qualification) and Irish born players abroad. If an English born Irish man playing abroad wants to play for Ireland they can wait until the seniors come calling.

Edited by Gabrieléire - 30 Aug 2018 at 8:11pm

Has he actually refused to play for the U-21's, or hashe simply not been picked due to the overall circumstances?

Let's not kid ourselves here; he's gone and it's time to let go. He's refusing to play for the U-21s in two hugely important qualifying games even though that wouldn't be tying him to anything. Even Grealish didn't go that far; he stayed involved in the underage set up while he was 'deliberating', even accepting an award. It's a case of him letting us down gently, the equivalent of a trial separation, where your girlfriend's mind's fully made up on wanting to leave you but, thinking she's doing you a favour, does it in stages, cruelly giving you false hope. Any potential switch will take some months to go through anyway - the wheels are have probably already been set in motion. He'll hope a lot of the fuss will have died down by then. The hard part's already over. He hunkered down for a couple of days, switching his Twitter account to private having steeled himself for the negative response he'd receive from many. That storm has been weathered now. At best he'll get into England's U-21 set-up, where Aidy Boothroyd is their head coach, his Watford and Northampton sides being known for playing some of the crudest, most old-fashioned, lowbrow, basic and direct football seen in English football over the last twenty years. A significant step up from Keane and O'Neill's antediluvian approach, in other words.

Edited by NewtNewbie - 30 Aug 2018 at 7:55pm

lassassinblanc wrote: SeanG4393 wrote: I imagine a lot of people have been in his ear over it and it's a lot of pressure. I wonder has Mark Noble has a bit of a word he waited his whole career for England to call and they never.  I hope he doesn't go down the route of waiting for England just to boost his sponsorship and conract options like someone else not so long ago did.  Big difference. Noble has come out and said he was asked by numerous times to play for Ireland but always felt he'd be taking someone who dreamed of playing for Ireland's place This is his quote about it "There are young Irish kids playing well that deserve and would appreciate an Irish cap more than I would. I played through all the age groups as a youth international (with England), went to tournaments and sang the national anthem. But obviously I’ve never got a senior cap. So for me to turn up to play for Ireland without it having been a dream of mine, and there’s an Irish kid out there who might miss out when it’s their dream to play for Ireland. I couldn’t do that."

I would say the bait has been laid well before today's press conference. Would be surprised if big nose hadn't already spoken to Rice