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View the player profile of West Ham United Midfielder Declan Rice, including statistics and photos, on the official website of the Premier League.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

If it were my team, I'd be far more annoyed by Grealish than Rice.

For I do feel that Rice was genuinely conflicted, but didn't handle it well, both process and PR.

Whereas I have no doubt that Grealish played the (ROI) system for all it was worth, getting U-21 experience at a much younger age than he'd have got with England, then reverting to his own clear 1st choice as soon as he reached 20, thereby still leaving time to play for England's U-21's.

It was the same with Shane Duffy, who was fast-tracked by Nigel Worthington, played at every level up to and including U-21, and was called up to the senior squad for a friendly away to Italy in 2009, when he was still only 17. I remember seeing on TV that he played absolute merry hell on the touchline when NW didn't bring him on from the bench* for what would have been his senior NI debut.

Of course, a senior friendly wouldn't have tied Duffy, but it would have looked good on his CV - before he "did a Declan".


* - My own guess is that already having used six subs, NW suddenly realised that if he used a 7th, it would "void" the game i.e. no longer recognised by FIFA, thereby putting NI's appearance fee and insurance cover etc at risk.

On the other hand, Grealish refused a call up to the ROI senior team for a friendly against England.

The thing that is annoying Irish fans is that Rice quit after three senior caps. If he had refused to play in those three matches, it would have been a different story.


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Originally posted by Sullivinho Sullivinho wrote:

Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

I think it's the idea of winning a full cap and then switching that most I've heard are against.....Andy Cole suggested the cut off should be 18 or 19


The senior aspect of it is the dealbreaker for me. It's bang out of order. I can accept any level below that as a field of open decison for dual-eligible lads.

The bleeding hearts can play Rice's advocate all they like. I'm sure it makes for fantastic longform reads and sympathetic newspaper rhetoric.

The fact is, and always will be, that he stepped over a line and will be remembered for it.

but why the cut off? Is it just because it's become acceptable for some of our lads to do it?


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Originally posted by Sullivinho Sullivinho wrote:

I'd be annoyed if my 'country' was colonial residue and a bipolar entity that wouldn't know the first thing about being a nation.

Laughed my arse off. 

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I'd be annoyed if my 'country' was colonial residue and a bipolar entity that wouldn't know the first thing about being a nation.
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If it were my team, I'd be far more annoyed by Grealish than Rice.

For I do feel that Rice was genuinely conflicted, but didn't handle it well, both process and PR.

Whereas I have no doubt that Grealish played the (ROI) system for all it was worth, getting U-21 experience at a much younger age than he'd have got with England, then reverting to his own clear 1st choice as soon as he reached 20, thereby still leaving time to play for England's U-21's.

It was the same with Shane Duffy, who was fast-tracked by Nigel Worthington, played at every level up to and including U-21, and was called up to the senior squad for a friendly away to Italy in 2009, when he was still only 17. I remember seeing on TV that he played absolute merry hell on the touchline when NW didn't bring him on from the bench* for what would have been his senior NI debut.

Of course, a senior friendly wouldn't have tied Duffy, but it would have looked good on his CV - before he "did a Declan".


* - My own guess is that already having used six subs, NW suddenly realised that if he used a 7th, it would "void" the game i.e. no longer recognised by FIFA, thereby putting NI's appearance fee and insurance cover etc at risk.


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Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

Rice has not got alot of support from ex pros......any I've heard comment don't agree with what he's done

It's the idea of walking away from a senior international team you're playing for regularly that rankles a bit. Usually players fall out of favour with the first country before deciding to switch. Just walking out abruptly on a senior team who are picking you and who want you is not going to win you many fans.

The change of allegiance rule wasn't really introduced to facilitate players who simply want to "upgrade" their country or status. It was more for guys who either regretted their earlier decision to declare or who had fallen out of favour with the first country.


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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

For wasn't it respected psephologist* and academic Prof. Brendan O'Leary ...

* - That's a vote-counter to you and me.



I would have said "pollster". A vote-counter or surveyor would simply say "I surveyed 1,000 people and here are the results", whereas a psephologist will try and correct for errors in his sample size to produce a more accurate poll.

There's more to psephology than counting votes; I think pollster is the better shorthand.
Whichever.

Anyhow, O'Leary is a psephologist, which is what I called him:
 
And he's a pretty good one at that eg Tony Blair used him when New Labour was sweeping election after election back in the day.
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Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

Rice has not got alot of support from ex pros......any I've heard comment don't agree with what he's done
Johnny Giles backed him up completely - Gilesy is "the finest football mind in the world". 


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Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

I think it's the idea of winning a full cap and then switching that most I've heard are against.....Andy Cole suggested the cut off should be 18 or 19


The senior aspect of it is the dealbreaker for me. It's bang out of order. I can accept any level below that as a field of open decison for dual-eligible lads.

The bleeding hearts can play Rice's advocate all they like. I'm sure it makes for fantastic longform reads and sympathetic newspaper rhetoric.

The fact is, and always will be, that he stepped over a line and will be remembered for it.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Originally posted by Scissors Kick Scissors Kick wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

 Maybe it didnt help that theres a certain section of our support whom turn there noses up at the nordies, second generation or generally anyone who doesnt have a broad irish twang, but god forbid when one of them turns there back on us LOL

Their
Their back.
& capitalise Irish while you are at it, bit of respect like.
I could go on.

FFS

Point being theres a section of our support  whom are delusional. Take a look at the way some of the second generation support get treated by the "real irish" the mixed attitude james mc clean gets on here despite his contributions in the last campaign, we all know if he was from cork or dublin he would be universally loved. Maybe our chickens came home..


What's this mixed attitude you talk of?


Read his thread!! In short it seems to be based on his politics and the fact he is limited as a footballer, like all our players but his limitations seems to annoy the most.

He shouldn’t be in our starting eleven. 
Should seamus coleman?? He has being guff for a long time in a green shirt before the injury too imo
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I think it's the idea of winning a full cap and then switching that most I've heard are against.....Andy Cole suggested the cut off should be 18 or 19
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Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

Rice has not got alot of support from ex pros......any I've heard comment don't agree with what he's done


Even Jamie O'Hara had a pop ffs. A man who turned us down twice and now openly regrets it. LOL

Kilbane, Breen, McClean & co. are absolutely within their rights to call it out for what it is; cynical jingoism and opportunist turncoatery. I sincerely hope all the current and committed lads are reading every word and taking motivation from it.

Dual nationality is a perfectly valid thing. That goes without saying. I think it's fair to say that nationality itself is an emotional thing for most people. Playing both sides in international competition is a dual pisstake and is in no way mitigated by a (mostly) tactful PR job or the fact the rules allow for it.

'Dual' is not some 50:50 coequal comforter. Rice's Irishness, on record, has officially been relegated to "heritage". "Proud Englishman" is the takeaway.

And carry-on like singing and crying a national anthem at senior level can't ever be equated with the purely mercenary game of club football. International football sans nationalism and loyalty is a dead f**king duck.
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Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

Rice has not got alot of support from ex pros......any I've heard comment don't agree with what he's done
The only ones being vocal about it, that I have come across, either only have one nationality or only identify with one nationality. That's why I found Aluko's comments interesting, as she and her brother are dual nationals. 

you were probably told to leave an Irish centre one night but kept mouthing off and some big church going Gaa player f**ked you out the door hence your hatred for the Catholic Church and Gaa aswell!
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Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

Originally posted by Scissors Kick Scissors Kick wrote:

Originally posted by armahibee armahibee wrote:

 Maybe it didnt help that theres a certain section of our support whom turn there noses up at the nordies, second generation or generally anyone who doesnt have a broad irish twang, but god forbid when one of them turns there back on us LOL

Their
Their back.
& capitalise Irish while you are at it, bit of respect like.
I could go on.

FFS

Point being theres a section of our support  whom are delusional. Take a look at the way some of the second generation support get treated by the "real irish" the mixed attitude james mc clean gets on here despite his contributions in the last campaign, we all know if he was from cork or dublin he would be universally loved. Maybe our chickens came home..


What's this mixed attitude you talk of?


Read his thread!! In short it seems to be based on his politics and the fact he is limited as a footballer, like all our players but his limitations seems to annoy the most.

He shouldn’t be in our starting eleven. 
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Rice has not got alot of support from ex pros......any I've heard comment don't agree with what he's done
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