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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

At 22, if he does leave West Brom it's unlikely we would walk into the first team of a premier league club should be leave. Playing at full season at Championship level would not necessarily be a bad thing for his development. 
 

He’s playing pretty well and there aren’t hoards of young centre half’s in the PL looking to a degree comfortable at that level. He’s a decent passer of the ball can defend in the air. Even for Ireland in an atrocious team he came in and was one of a few if the only that enhanced his reputation in the last qualifying campaign.  

I wouldn’t be shocked if there was interest in him. Burnley a club that will be looking for a centre half or the newly promoted clubs let’s say. West Ham and Palace another two that may look for a centre half. 

I would be quite happy to see him stay at West Brom. Personally I would fancy the life out of them to go straight back up once Sam Allardyce stays. I would even consider having a strong punt on them once he stays and they keep the core of their squad like Norwich did. That’s important.




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Definitely has a good future. I would be concerned he is not big enough to be a real top class CH. But a decent player and will definitely have a good career injuries permitting
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He's 6-ft 1. Cannavaro the World Cup winning captain of Italy was 5-ft 9.

Size is only an issue if aerial ability is your trump card. O'Shea while not as yet in the bracket of Cannavaro, definitely doesn't fall into the bracket of our traditional centre halfs of recent times. 
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

He's 6-ft 1. Cannavaro the World Cup winning captain of Italy was 5-ft 9.

Size is only an issue if aerial ability is your trump card. O'Shea while not as yet in the bracket of Cannavaro, definitely doesn't fall into the bracket of our traditional centre halfs of recent times. 

I'd say 6,1 is pretty much the sweet spot for a centre half, usually I find, and there are exceptions of course, the taller centre halves are not as mobile or lose some vital acceleration on the turn. 

Oshea is tall enough and has that modern centre back slim build to succeed. Importantly his reading of the game is very good and getting better.

With oshea, Collins and Omobamidele I think this is a really good foundation in that position going forward.
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

He's 6-ft 1. Cannavaro the World Cup winning captain of Italy was 5-ft 9.

Size is only an issue if aerial ability is your trump card. O'Shea while not as yet in the bracket of Cannavaro, definitely doesn't fall into the bracket of our traditional centre halfs of recent times. 

I'd say 6,1 is pretty much the sweet spot for a centre half, usually I find, and there are exceptions of course, the taller centre halves are not as mobile or lose some vital acceleration on the turn. 

Oshea is tall enough and has that modern centre back slim build to succeed. Importantly his reading of the game is very good and getting better.

With oshea, Collins and Omobamidele I think this is a really good foundation in that position going forward.
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wouldn't hate if Robinson stayed with WBA and played every week in the championship. Agree it wouldn't be a nightmare if DOS stayed as well, but i do think hes capable of playing in the premier league for a mid-table side, would depend on who wanted him i guess. could see him doing well for a team like wolves or palace, wouldn't want to see him just go to a newly promoted side that goes right back down
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If Robinson is playing and scoring anywhere I’d be happy. If O’Shea spends more than a couple of seasons at a mid tier premier league team, I’d be disappointed. I think he has the quality to go right to the top. Big premier league teams should be looking at him because he has more to his game that most of the defenders that they have in the same age group. He could even play in France or Italy
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He is a solid centre half. But the modern defender needs to be able to pass it out from the back, which he does well so that skill puts him ahead of a lot of other players in his position, add in his age too and he looks like he would attract many suitors 
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

If Robinson is playing and scoring anywhere I’d be happy. If O’Shea spends more than a couple of seasons at a mid tier premier league team, I’d be disappointed. I think he has the quality to go right to the top. Big premier league teams should be looking at him because he has more to his game that most of the defenders that they have in the same age group. He could even play in France or Italy
 

Robinson will be staying I suspect no fear there and I’d be happy to see him too. Will play regularly there and like I say I do fancy West Brom to go back up if they can hang onto the core of their squad and the manager.

Big praise for O’Shea I do rate him highly and while he’s gone under the radar compared to a Ben White let’s say there aren’t hoards of young defenders in there early 20s in the PL playing regularly and looking competent doing so. By default he should get one or two clubs looking at him for that. 

If any PL club picked him up I’d be happy with a view to the next 2/3 years but I’d agree in that certainly I wouldnt look at the likes of Ozan Kabak Joe Rodon or Ben Godfrey and think christ they are way better then O’Shea.
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

If Robinson is playing and scoring anywhere I’d be happy. If O’Shea spends more than a couple of seasons at a mid tier premier league team, I’d be disappointed. I think he has the quality to go right to the top. Big premier league teams should be looking at him because he has more to his game that most of the defenders that they have in the same age group. He could even play in France or Italy

He's not at a club who could be categorised as being at that level though. If WBA go down, there's no guarantees that he'll even get a move to stay in the PL, even to one of the 3 teams who get promoted. I'd be more than happy for him to develop at a mid-tier for 3-4 years, if he was able to get such a move.
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https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-west-brom-3-0-southampton-allardyce-sextet-shop-window

Six West Brom players in the shop window for a move according to that article, but unsurprisingly o'shea is not one of the six. 

Quite a few of their players are on loan so I don't think it's as simple as they go down and bounce back straight away, they will have a battle on their hands in the Championship next season.
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Ajayi in for O'Shea and he conceded a penalty.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Ajayi in for O'Shea and he conceded a penalty.
 
And the other CB Bartley with an awful piece of indecision right at the death to cost them two points. They've been a shambles at the back all season long really.

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That was shocking between Bartley and Johnstone at the end. I had the game on in the background, was half watching it and when I saw the f**k up my first thought was I hope that's not O'Shea that's done that. 

It is a very weak defence. Ivanovic wasn't a good signing and Townsend is poor as well. That said they'll probably look great in teh Championship next season.
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

That was shocking between Bartley and Johnstone at the end. I had the game on in the background, was half watching it and when I saw the f**k up my first thought was I hope that's not O'Shea that's done that. 

It is a very weak defence. Ivanovic wasn't a good signing and Townsend is poor as well. That said they'll probably look great in teh Championship next season.
 

Bartley is an okay defender on the whole I know that mistake yesterday was hideous. Seems to be strange notion going by West Brom fan forums/Twitter that Ajayi is this class centre back and should be the first centre back on their team sheet. 

I really haven’t an iota what they are seeing as anytime I have seen him play (5 times this season) vs Bartley and O’Shea the latter two by most metrics of judging footballers look the superior players. 

O’Shea was beyond poor against Leicester last week so I’m not shocked he was dropped but then again most of his teammates were as poor on the day. O’Shea probably starts the next game again after that.
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Taken off after 30 minutes, didnt do a thing wrong, very disappointing 
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Another tactical masterstroke from Big Sam. Decides to change shape after 35 minutes with the score at 0-0. Takes off O'Shea who had the most touches of any West Brom player. Outcome - 1-0 down by half time.

West Brom must be thrilled that they dumped Bilic for him...


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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Another tactical masterstroke from Big Sam. Decides to change shape after 35 minutes with the score at 0-0. Takes off O'Shea who had the most touches of any West Brom player. Outcome - 1-0 down by half time.

West Brom must be thrilled that they dumped Bilic for him...

Read that too, oshea had 26 touches, more than any other West brom player.

Looks like Big Sam got his tactics all wrong again for this one.
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