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The top coaches today, Pep, Klopp, Poch etc - their calling card is that they improve players. Pochettino  improved his even without huge aid from the transfer market to the extent that they got to the CL final and finished in the top 3. A tier below them, the likes of Rodgers, Eddie Howe, Hassenhutil and Nuno attempt to do much the same thing on lesser resources with players of a little less ability (generally, as some of those teams have outstanding individuals too)

Then you have the well organised, difficult to beat lads like Hodgson & Dyche. Our managers have always been cut from this cloth rather than the other type. The top coaches success and style of play has affected everyone from chairmen to fans, most now want to play some kind of football that imitates the top teams, and chairmen are acting accordingly, going out actively seeking fellas who they think might be able to do this that were previously unheard of in the UK- Hassenhutil, Farke, or simply getting in a manager who changes the conservative style of play, like Brighton have done replacing Hughton with Potter. 

Irish fans are no different, but when it comes to selecting managers, we are top of the lack of imagination league, and have been for a long time. Delaney appointing Kenny could turn out to be an accidental stroke of genius, much the same as appointing Charlton was accidental. But accidental it is, there was certainly no thoughts coming down from the FAI about progressive football, if Kenny's appointment happens & works, its merely a coincidence. 

If it doesn't work, there will be a clamour on here to install Chris Hughton, another manager in the mould of Dyche, Roy H, Mick, MON who sets out with the aim of firstly not losing rather than winning. Sometimes ya get what ya deserve......



 
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Think you're missing one important fact there, all of these managers have time to work with their players to improve them. International managers have, at most, a week. That's nowhere near enough time to improve a player. 

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Disagree Deise, Ireland obviously can't play any type of possession based dfootball against any team, seeing as we've not done so in the last 10 years /s

Seriously though, I honestly don't get this attitude. I'm not one to bash the management all the time like some people on here, but surely the reason we play hoofball against all teams we play is down to the management style. As some people have said, these lads are professionals playing in the top 2 tiers of English football.

Time will only tell if Kenny will be able to change that, but I'm super excited to see how he progresses the team and brings some of the exciting young prospects into the fold and hopefully instill some sort of progressive philosophy. I really just hope he is given sufficient time.

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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Think you're missing one important fact there, all of these managers have time to work with their players to improve them. International managers have, at most, a week. That's nowhere near enough time to improve a player. 

Improving the players is one thing but making them worse is another. We have all watched games with so called lesser opposition in which ireland were disorganised and struggled to move the ball. Also remember than other nations have the same amount of time with their players.

Sometimes it looked like there was no direction for the players at all 

That being said I think mccarthy is a vast improvement on what we've had for the last 10 years 
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Typical YBIG looking for a cause celebre now that Hoolahan is gone. Only this time it's worse. Hoolahan was playing regularly. Crowley was playing for a mediocre team in a mediocre league. Then moves to Birmingham and isn't even starting. What's worse is he is not fully eligible yet. But of course YBIG need someone to moan about now that Andy Reid, Stephen Ireland and Wes Hoolahan are firmly out of the picture.


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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Think you're missing one important fact there, all of these managers have time to work with their players to improve them. International managers have, at most, a week. That's nowhere near enough time to improve a player. 

I'd agree it isn't enough time, but at the same time, I don't think we've ever had a manager who tried it. They tend to look at what they have, assess it and arrive at the conclusion ''this is the way we'll play''. Oddly enough, one of the managers (JC) who had a choice of some of our finest footballers ever, assessed what he had, then deliberately set out to play in a more ''non-footballing'' direct manner after coming to the conclusion that most other teams weren't playing like that, wouldn't be able to deal with it, and it could get him results. 

He was right with that theory as well, and it did get results. Egil Olsen did similar with Norway for a few years too. All that was around 25-30 years ago though. The thing there is that Jack (and Egil) reverting to a basic game was actually somewhat innovative in itself at the time, most other teams were trying to play football. 

Mick did opt for a better style the first time around, but it took him a while to get there too, there was much (necessary) rebuilding & experimentation across the 2 campaigns we didn't qualify for under him. No manager today would get that time. The style we have been playing since he left in 2002 has been player driven and not manager driven, and when I say player driven, it is really the manager's assessment of players abilities. Stan, Trap & MON regularly commented they ''didn't have the players'', Kerr didn't say things like that in public, but the playing style was similarly conservative, as were his tactical decisions (Kavanagh for Robbie Keane V Israel when we were 2-0 up and cruising will always haunt me)

I mentioned Daniel Farke earlier on, and like probably everyone else, I never heard of him before he went to Norwich. The England U21 squad was named today and has 3 of his players in it, all debutants. If he took the ''I don't have the players'' approach, would those 3 lads have got games for Norwich or been selected for England U21 ? Would Rodgers have his current career if he took the ''I don't have the players'' approach at Swansea ?? 

I'd be the very first to agree our players have limitations, some of them fairly large ones, but the game has evolved to the point where coaches who bring those credentials are the ones being sought after. Generally not sought after by us though.  If the manager basically makes little difference to the way we play, and you could certainly argue the last few haven't, bar generally being defensively organised, why don't we give Noel King the job ? We did actually give him an important job for most of a decade, and it wasn't exactly a success. 

I suppose to sum all that up, we have a manager who looks at players, assesses their limitations and decides to play in a certain way. I think a more modern manager such as those mentioned in above post, would firstly identify a style of play, then identify the players he needs to fit that and work from there. That isn't as simple as deciding we are going to play like Man City either, we certainly don't have the players to do that, but when you look at yer attacking style Norwich and Sheff U (complete with overlapping centre backs) doing innovative things with players of roughly similar ability to ours (we even share 4 of them with Sheff U), I don't see why Ireland shouldn't attempt to come up with some innovation of our own, like Jack once did. 

In reality, what was originally an innovation by Jack got mistaken for a template by most of his successors, and we haven't really evolved from it in 3 decades, save for an intermission around 2002. Hopefully Kenny might change that with the aid of some exciting prospects, but if it doesn't change, we will likely never see another WC (unless they expand it....which they probably will) and as for the Euros, we will probably make 1 in 3 and not trouble anything further than the QFs unless we get lucky or play for pens. 





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Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

Dropped to the bench again

Seems like we have a lot of bench warmers today -

Southampton- Shane long on the bench

Sheffield Utd - Egan, Stevens and Robinson start, McGoldrick on the bench

Palace - McCarthy on the bench

Brighton - Duffy and Connolly on the bench

Villa - hourihane on the bench

Newcastle - Clarke on the bench

Bristol - O’Dowda on the bench

Birmingham - Crowley on the bench 

Stoke - mcclean starts, Hogan on the bench

Derby - keogh and knight start 

Milwall - molumby and Williams on the bench

Preston - Browne starts,

Charlton. - Cullen starts 

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Watch the game today. He came on with about 25 min to go and was excellent turned the game around even the commenters said he has run the show Sense coming on
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Originally posted by aviva8 aviva8 wrote:

Watch the game today. He came on with about 25 min to go and was excellent turned the game around even the commenters said he has run the show Sense coming on

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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

Dropped to the bench again


Seems like we have a lot of bench warmers today -
<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Southampton- Shane long on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Sheffield Utd - Egan, Stevens and Robinson start, McGoldrick on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Palace - McCarthy on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Brighton - Duffy and Connolly on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Villa - hourihane on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Newcastle - Clarke on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Bristol - O’Dowda on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Birmingham - Crowley on the bench </span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Stoke - mcclean starts, Hogan on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Derby - keogh and knight start </span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Milwall - molumby and Williams on the bench</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Preston - Browne starts,</span>


<p ="p1"><span ="s1" style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;" original_font_attr="-1" original_line_height_attr="">Charlton. - Cullen starts </span>



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Imagine we had a creative number 10 available tonight for this match. 

Could have easily opened up Bulgaria and set up a goal or 2. 

Probably see him in Tbilisi. 
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We had Jack Byrne so what are you talking about?
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Imagine we had a creative number 10 available tonight for this match. 

Could have easily opened up Bulgaria and set up a goal or 2. 

Probably see him in Tbilisi. 

Mick; Repeatedly picks same squad and team. Gives interviews before and after friendly game stating its unlikely that new players will start V Georgia or Swiss. 
Pundits Doyle, Meyler & Sadlier state that both from their experience and tonight's evidence, no player has shown enough for Mick to consider him over the players he has picked already to start (bench might be a different story)

Ybig Poster; Interprets all that as new (and as yet, ineligible) player having a chance of playing in Tbilisi. 

Aye, sure of course he'll start, probably set up 2 and get MOTM as well. 





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More chance of Crowley than Byrne making a cameo appearance. 

Mick was ticking the box tonight - keep the league happy. Sure isn't Mick great going to Irish games.
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Imagine we had a creative number 10 available tonight for this match. 

Could have easily opened up Bulgaria and set up a goal or 2. 

Probably see him in Tbilisi. 
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Imagine we had a creative number 10 available tonight for this match. 

Could have easily opened up Bulgaria and set up a goal or 2. 

Probably see him in Tbilisi. 

Mick; Repeatedly picks same squad and team. Gives interviews before and after friendly game stating its unlikely that new players will start V Georgia or Swiss. 
Pundits Doyle, Meyler & Sadlier state that both from their experience and tonight's evidence, no player has shown enough for Mick to consider him over the players he has picked already to start (bench might be a different story)

Ybig Poster; Interprets all that as new (and as yet, ineligible) player having a chance of playing in Tbilisi. 

Aye, sure of course he'll start, probably set up 2 and get MOTM as well. 






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