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Do we have a flat-earth problem because we have some flat-earther idiots?

There's a difference between a country having a racist problem (systematic racism), and having some idiots who spout racist nonsense.
We will always have ignorant fools - it's how the world is.

What Cyrus says is correct - education is key and we need to be intolerant to such abuse early and often.




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That is f**king outrageous. 

He’s not saying it happened once, he’s saying it happened in his first four games. How can that happen and nobody from the FAI steps in to say anything?
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Darren Randolph was on the front page of The Sun recently with similar complaints. I drew the line at buying the rag to read the article but got the gist. Leon Best had a tough time as a youngster in Ireland, also documented. There may well be others though I can't think of any. Atrocious stuff but dying out due to changed times, also different from systemic racism which is a horse of a different colour, so to speak.
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Darren Randolph was on the front page of The Sun recently with similar complaints. I drew the line at buying the rag to read the article but got the gist. Leon Best had a tough time as a youngster in Ireland, also documented. There may well be others though I can't think of any. Atrocious stuff but dying out due to changed times, also different from systemic racism which is a horse of a different colour, so to speak.


IIRC Darren said that it was a problem when he was a child/young teen and playing GAA back in the early noughties. He said himself a black person in Ireland would've been a rarity just 20 years ago. Now they're common in every walk of life and racism is much less of a problem.

It will never completely go away, but that's the same everywhere and among every race.
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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Do we have a flat-earth problem because we have some flat-earther idiots?

There's a difference between a country having a racist problem (systematic racism), and having some idiots who spout racist nonsense.
We will always have ignorant fools - it's how the world is.

What Cyrus says is correct - education is key and we need to be intolerant to such abuse early and often.




The problem is that it isn't 'some', the problem is that it's a lot. The fact that we continue to sweep it under the carpet and say we aren't a racist country or that it is just a few idiots the longer it will continue. This attitude has to change.
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Racism is problem in greater society, and is a problem worldwide. That’s not what I’m talking about.

Christie got racially abused at an ireland training session. Where is the FAI? What are they doing to protect him and take action against the perpetrators? I’ve seen a lot of people seem happy to hide behind the idea that the abuse that Christie got on social media was coming from people in the UK. Is that the case? Did the FAI look into it?

If Paul McGrath or Chris Hughton let on that he was racially abused at an Ireland training session, I’d be furious and shocked. For it to happen nowadays is totally unacceptable, and it won’t “get better” unless people take action to make it better. 
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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Do we have a flat-earth problem because we have some flat-earther idiots?

There's a difference between a country having a racist problem (systematic racism), and having some idiots who spout racist nonsense.
We will always have ignorant fools - it's how the world is.

What Cyrus says is correct - education is key and we need to be intolerant to such abuse early and often.

If you think the amount of people who believe the earth is flat is in any way equivalent to those who have racist attitudes, you're just flat wrong

But actually, we do have a flat earther problem as increasing amounts of people believe in it, it's part of a much wider right-wing culture war to make people as stupid as possible

There was a big narrative in the US around 2008 and 2009 that Obama's election proved that the US had moved beyond race as an issue

How utterly wrong that narrative was

Same in this country when people claim we don't have a racism problem

What we have in this country is a large amount of tolerance - and when I say tolerance, I mean people who may not want to actively discriminate against or persecute ethnic minorities, but they want them out of sight and out of mind, and if people from ethnic minorities start speaking up "too loudly", these "tolerant" people don't like it

It's the "know your place" mindset

This is the case with probably a majority of white people pretty much everywhere

See what happens any time Danny Rose speaks up

See what happens when Traveller voices speak up in this country or people like Ebun Joseph or Hazel Chu












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can also remember an Irish player referring to jean Alain boumsong as a fcuking N***** to himself while clearly mouthing the words when he felt the Frenchman dived too easily for a free kick as the game got away from us in the lansdowne road game for 2004 euros. If anyone had that game in full I’ll like to see it again to ensure 100% that’s what he said but it looked so clear.




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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

If you think the amount of people who believe the earth is flat is in any way equivalent to those who have racist attitudes, you're just flat wrong



Accepted, and it was a cheap comparison.

I'm not saying racism is not an issue in Ireland as I agree it is an issue everywhere that some members of society look different to the established norm of that society.
As are a myriad of other social issues.
But no whataboutery, this is about racism as experienced and described by Christie and it is wrong on every level.
I think a lot is more casual than vindictive, but it's still damaging to the victims and because of that, should not be tolerated.

I also like your arguements about the dumbing down of society in general, results being Brexit and Trump and that fool in Brazil.
Let's try our best to not be those people.
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It's disgraceful that Christie has to deal with that sort of nonsense. One thing that I would disagree with him on though is his statement that himself, McGoldrick, and Robinson are accused of "not being Irish" simply because they are black, whereas white English-born players such as Clark and Arter never have their Irishness questioned. I think the attitudes on here are anything to go by, that's flat out inaccurate. We have a serious problem whereby all of our non-Irish born players are derided, regardless of their skin colour.
We're decent enough..
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

It's disgraceful that Christie has to deal with that sort of nonsense. One thing that I would disagree with him on though is his statement that himself, McGoldrick, and Robinson are accused of "not being Irish" simply because they are black, whereas white English-born players such as Clark and Arter never have their Irishness questioned. I think the attitudes on here are anything to go by, that's flat out inaccurate. We have a serious problem whereby all of our non-Irish born players are derided, regardless of their skin colour.

O’Shea, I get where you're coming from, but that is opening the doors to derail this thread and turn this into another eligibility thread like so many others. This is a racial issue, so let’s focus on that for now.

If McGoldrick and Robinson are both getting the same abuse, this is a major, major issue that the FAI needs to act upon.

I don’t want the next generation of Irish players to face this same issue. If the fai don’t address it, it becomes a time bomb.
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Originally posted by Dots1982 Dots1982 wrote:

can also remember [redacted] referring to jean Alain boumsong as a fcuking N***** to himself while clearly mouthing the words when he felt the Frenchman dived too easily for a free kick as the game got away from us in the lansdowne road game for 2004 euros. If anyone had that game in full I’ll like to see it again to ensure 100% that’s what he said but it looked so clear.




I think you should delete that comment TBH. That's slander.


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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

It's disgraceful that Christie has to deal with that sort of nonsense. One thing that I would disagree with him on though is his statement that himself, McGoldrick, and Robinson are accused of "not being Irish" simply because they are black, whereas white English-born players such as Clark and Arter never have their Irishness questioned. I think the attitudes on here are anything to go by, that's flat out inaccurate. We have a serious problem whereby all of our non-Irish born players are derided, regardless of their skin colour.

O’Shea, I get where you're coming from, but that is opening the doors to derail this thread and turn this into another eligibility thread like so many others. This is a racial issue, so let’s focus on that for now.

If McGoldrick and Robinson are both getting the same abuse, this is a major, major issue that the FAI needs to act upon.

I don’t want the next generation of Irish players to face this same issue. If the fai don’t address it, it becomes a time bomb.

No derailment whatsoever, simply an acknowledgement that we have a wider issue with out attitudes to English-born players which I would suggest is actually even more prevalent among our fanbase than anti-black attitudes. Both of these prejudices are unacceptable and need to be addressed.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

It's disgraceful that Christie has to deal with that sort of nonsense. One thing that I would disagree with him on though is his statement that himself, McGoldrick, and Robinson are accused of "not being Irish" simply because they are black, whereas white English-born players such as Clark and Arter never have their Irishness questioned. I think the attitudes on here are anything to go by, that's flat out inaccurate. We have a serious problem whereby all of our non-Irish born players are derided, regardless of their skin colour.

O’Shea, I get where you're coming from, but that is opening the doors to derail this thread and turn this into another eligibility thread like so many others. This is a racial issue, so let’s focus on that for now.

If McGoldrick and Robinson are both getting the same abuse, this is a major, major issue that the FAI needs to act upon.

I don’t want the next generation of Irish players to face this same issue. If the fai don’t address it, it becomes a time bomb.

No derailment whatsoever, simply an acknowledgement that we have a wider issue with out attitudes to English-born players which I would suggest is actually even more prevalent among our fanbase than anti-black attitudes. Both of these prejudices are unacceptable and need to be addressed.


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As regards English born people of Irish heritage the people who don't accept them seem to fall into two categories, the first ones tend to have this chauvinistic and arrogant pride about their birthplace and accent almost as if they chose where their parents got jiggy or where they fell out of Mammy's gee, coupled with the notion that only they know the country, culture, it's shibboleths, it's in-jokes, language, history, politics, etc. In their minds anybody else claiming to be Irish is trying to suck up to them, it's a sort of 'islander' mindset where the Diaspora must be denied, sometimes as well because it's existence flies in the face of the new, shiny wealthy Ireland who regard Paddy and Mary getting off the Night Mail in Euston or New St in 1958 as a backward, poverty riddled embarrassment.

Irishness sets itself historically in opposition and the antithesis of anything 'British or English', therefore Paddy and Mary's offspring with their London or Birmingham accent is viewed through the prism of cultural cringe as 'a Brit' or 'the English cousin'.

The second types tend to be a bit dim-witted and village simple about the whole thing, somebody who sounds English to them couldn't possibly have Irish parents or an Irish passport, it's as if it's beyond their scope of cognitive conceptuality.

I'd imagine being black as well as born outside the state would be a no-no to some of these idiots, especially the first type.
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I see Fulham are on the verge of signing Ola Aina and Kenny Tete.

I doubt we'll be seeing much of Cyrus this season, at least at Fulham.
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