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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

I wonder how long it will take to see J and J and AZ back in use?

And will they stop producing or will deliveries still be met?


Based on what Ursula Von Der Leyens saying today it looks like EU is politely moving away from these vaccines.  Denmark have suspended AZ fully. See @DaveKeating on twitter.

Interesting and yet nphet get dogs abuse on Twitter some of the same
People who were saying we should do what Denmark were doing with regard to securing extra vaccines.  

There is a template at play here on Irish social media which is Ireland is terrible and let’s pick a country that is doing it the opposite way and they are great and we are backward.  

Throughout this whole thing many of the same heads have basically had an a la carte picking of strategies from different countries and many of them are polar opposites but are popular for a time.  

We should have taken Sweden's Herd Immunity approach and we'd be done with this nonsense by now!
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

they are canceling 2nd doses at the moment as they are prioritizing getting first doses.  

As a result they are taking a huge risk.  There are now people who have been told they won’t be getting their 2nd dose when they expected.  

Does anyone know the efficacy if you get 2nd dose 80 or 90 days after 1st dose.   No they don’t 

They have issued a statement saying there is no evidence it works beyond 3 weeks.  Massive game if roulette being played here. 

To call it roulette is ridiculous.

The British Medical association have approved this. You need to give them some credit.
Pfizer would have done tests on one dose and the BMA would have seen the results of this.

Pfizer are definitely not coming out and saying their drug does not work after 3 weeks. The question marks are around the efficiency after 3-12 weeks but the BMA would have seen trial data on this.

You are suggesting the vaccine enters cells and produces antibodies and t-cells for 21 days only and then they call it a day and remove themselves from the cells. 
In the real world the antibodies and t-cells stick around longer and the BMA would know this from similar vaccines.

I agree they handled it badly. They should have started the one dose from today rather than cancel existing appointments.

The difficulties with supply and distribution are forcing them to make this decision. I’m sure they would rather not have to but they believe it’s gives a greater number of people a fighting chance quicker.


Baldie stating the BMA are ‘taking a huge risk’ and playing ‘roulette’

Sound like you know more than the experts! 

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

they are canceling 2nd doses at the moment as they are prioritizing getting first doses.  

As a result they are taking a huge risk.  There are now people who have been told they won’t be getting their 2nd dose when they expected.  

Does anyone know the efficacy if you get 2nd dose 80 or 90 days after 1st dose.   No they don’t 

They have issued a statement saying there is no evidence it works beyond 3 weeks.  Massive game if roulette being played here. 

To call it roulette is ridiculous.

The British Medical association have approved this. You need to give them some credit.
Pfizer would have done tests on one dose and the BMA would have seen the results of this.

Pfizer are definitely not coming out and saying their drug does not work after 3 weeks. The question marks are around the efficiency after 3-12 weeks but the BMA would have seen trial data on this.

You are suggesting the vaccine enters cells and produces antibodies and t-cells for 21 days only and then they call it a day and remove themselves from the cells. 
In the real world the antibodies and t-cells stick around longer and the BMA would know this from similar vaccines.

I agree they handled it badly. They should have started the one dose from today rather than cancel existing appointments.

The difficulties with supply and distribution are forcing them to make this decision. I’m sure they would rather not have to but they believe it’s gives a greater number of people a fighting chance quicker.


Baldie stating the BMA are ‘taking a huge risk’ and playing ‘roulette’

Sound like you know more than the experts! 

I don’t know more than them, I know less than 1% of what they have forgotten in their time.  I can’t say it anymore clearly that my knowledge  is minuscule compared to the British Medical Association or the EMA or NPHET or NIAC. 

I did think they took a risk and it paid off. Lots of other “experts” did not recommend taking that risk. 

It’s as equally valid to ask why do you think you know more than the EMA using your logic. 

You also stated that they handled it badly.  Using your logic, what gives you the qualification to criticise them for how they handled it.  

I seem to have got your back up for some reason.  


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Denmark have pulled the plug on the Astra Zeneca altogether
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Denmark have pulled the plug on the Astra Zeneca altogether
Probably not the best vaccine in the world!
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Originally posted by King_Kenny King_Kenny wrote:

Originally posted by Neil Armstrong Neil Armstrong wrote:

Denmark have pulled the plug on the Astra Zeneca altogether
Probably not the best vaccine in the world!
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Hospital Report tonight.174 Hospitalizations 48 ICU. Good News. Getting there. 

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Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

Originally posted by seanyshuffler seanyshuffler wrote:

Can understand pausing these in one sense but I don't know if scientist's or researchers are going to be able to infer why these are occuring with Astrazenca and J and J vaccines and not the Mrna ones.

Or maybe they are occurring in mrna ones? 
Speculation I read last night - and it could be old news buy now - was what the pause in the US was so that healthcare professionals could get up to speed on how to identify sypmtom \ risks of clot developing from the vaccine and treat accordingly.

The number of cases is so low it would be very difficult to identify anything beyond this at present. I assume the expect more cases to arise as the cases I read about where post-jab day range of 6-12 days (could be wrong on the day range).
Yeah, there's way too many variables at play and the numbers are so low it's hard to come to any conclusion. Seems it more common in younger women. An abundance of caution doesn't seem very scientific.
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How about Mick Wallace going to Iraq on holidays. LOL
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Originally posted by seanyshuffler seanyshuffler wrote:

Originally posted by Dalymount79 Dalymount79 wrote:

Originally posted by seanyshuffler seanyshuffler wrote:

Can understand pausing these in one sense but I don't know if scientist's or researchers are going to be able to infer why these are occuring with Astrazenca and J and J vaccines and not the Mrna ones.

Or maybe they are occurring in mrna ones? 
Speculation I read last night - and it could be old news buy now - was what the pause in the US was so that healthcare professionals could get up to speed on how to identify sypmtom \ risks of clot developing from the vaccine and treat accordingly.

The number of cases is so low it would be very difficult to identify anything beyond this at present. I assume the expect more cases to arise as the cases I read about where post-jab day range of 6-12 days (could be wrong on the day range).
Yeah, there's way too many variables at play and the numbers are so low it's hard to come to any conclusion. Seems it more common in younger women. An abundance of caution doesn't seem very scientific.
An abundance of caution in younger woman is the story of many a young man's love life...
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How about Mick Wallace going to Iraq on holidays. LOL

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LOL

I think the clown emoji would be more appropriate for Wallace.

I really don't think his statements and tweets get the scrutiny that I feel the need. 



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Is there any politician on the left you like?
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Is there any politician on the left you like?

Yep. Plenty in the Labour Party, many of the SD's and a number of the left leaning Greens. There are also some SFers that I feel are good politicians even if I don't necessarily agree with them.
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Imagine threatening people especially elderly people about getting the Astro jab, what a horrible bunch in charge we have
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Number of positive swabs dropping daily, well under 300 cases today methinks. Going well at the moment. 
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4 out of the last 5 days with less than 400 cases - https://tetsujin1979.github.io/covid19dashboard?dataSelection=cases&dateSelection=lastTwoMonths&graphType=normal&displayType=table&trendLine=true
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Down to 300 is great news, I think most were expecting a spike after Paddys Day and Easter, so great that we kept on the downward trend. 

Between the amount of Covid cases out there, and the number of vaccinated people, it looks like it's beginning to die out
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