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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Previously in England it was true but that is not the case now and the figures have been updated to reflect this The whole of the UK now uses the 28 day cut off However I would strongly suggest that this means Covid deaths are being under counted rather than over counted Herman Cain, for instance, would not have been counted as a Covid death if he had been in England I certainly think there are a hell of a lot more people for whom Covid was a major contributor to their deaths and are not being counted as a Covid death, than people who test positive and get killed in a car crash I don't think the latter was ever a real problem in terms of inflation of numbers, far from it, it was a straw man used for a particular political purpose https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711 |
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Lenny82
Liam Brady Joined: 20 Aug 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2914 |
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Never saw that Botham interview before. Bloody brilliant. Always thought he was a cock!
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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He absolutely is but it is remarkable television all the same, I would give him a modicum of credit for allowing himself to be subjected to such questioning There were some real life David Brent bits in there, 6:20 especially |
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Lenny82
Liam Brady Joined: 20 Aug 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2914 |
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Cricketer first, friend second. Probably an entertainer third!
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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"I don't play cricket for an Esther Rantzen heart of gold, if Esther is handing out awards, do it for me charity work, five walks from John O'Groats to Land's End in two years, so, why don't you ask Phillipa Norris or, you know, Simon Coleman at Mencap what they think of Ian Botham"
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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You clearly haven't seen a motorsport press conference. All the masks are on in fully equipped function rooms, and they're still getting the bug.
When masks were declared mandatory on public transport, there were a handful of cases and no deaths. So everyone bought up their masks and deprived the health sector who really do need masks, of having even more PPE available to them. Now there are regularly 1000 cases per day and the country is closed for all but essential business. Entire industries such as tourism, have been wiped out. Mask wearing has failed to suppress the spread of the virus, because it was treated as the magic vaccine that it isn't. The grey train still see them as that though and they will never get rid of them, even in the event a vaccine is found. They'll still wear them in case they get the flu, which none of them did before this strain of it showed up on the island. As for me, I only wear them as the very last of last resorts because they are as useful as a chocolate fireguard. A heart attack can kill someone with no warning in half an hour, a stroke can lead to permanent damage, and both are infinitely more dangerous to most people's health than this. I don't host or attend house parties, I'm rarely in shops, and I only wear the visor if requested at the time. I'm not invincible at all but I know the state of my health better than anyone else. |
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seanyshuffler
Jack Charlton PM snitch Joined: 09 Jun 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9535 |
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Aren't masks supposed to stop you from giving someone else covid or stop you from spreading it. Masks aren't meant to stop you catching it.
I don't understand what you're giving out about planning.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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You're wasting your time debating with a brick wall. |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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I find this hard to believe. How could someone that previously admitted they spend 6 odd weeks hoovering up other posters predictions on ybig throughout an entire league season a couple of years back, not be the life and soul of the party type?!
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Roberto Baggio
Robbie Keane UNBELIEVABLE JEFF Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 37149 |
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Shedite
Jack Charlton Joined: 09 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 9795 |
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It'd be a great experiment to get the occupations of all the people that test positive. Seeing if the number of bar staff, gym staff, waiters, bus drivers, teachers etc contracting it are higher than the norm would be a great way to prove or disprove where the danger areas are
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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I see the crank of choice for the Covid deniers, Dr. Martin Feely, lied outright in his latest Irish Times article (he's being silenced, doncha know, writing very prominent articles in the Irish Times as he is)
This is a thorough demolition of Dr. Feely's "talking points" ---------------- https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1320762629229629440 Yesterday the @IrishTimes again published a #Covid19 piece that had not been fact checked. Piece by Martin Feely suggests the WHO had put forward a mortality of 0.1386%. This is untrue & this false claim was already directly addressed by WHO Oct 12th /1 Quote https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1315997403762262016 The piece then refers to a a paper by "research expert Dr J Ioannidis which reports an overall Case Fatality Rate of 0.27%". But Ioannidis paper gave an IFR not CFR estimate of 0.27%, this is a significant error in itself as well as providing two contradictory estimates /2 WHO says IFR research converges on an IFR of 0.6% so both Martin's claims are misleading. The WHO bulletin is not a policy statement but collects research of interest, presumably the Ioannidis paper was interesting for being an outlier with low IFR but about that.. /3 Ioannidis is somewhat infamous for claiming early in the pandemic that IFR was 0.02-0.04%, about 1/10th of the current claim. He's one of a number of media savvy researchers who got a lot of airtime because their low IFR estimates aligned with business interests /4 His latest study still has an IFR less than half of the 0.6% the WHO says other research is converging on. The reason appears to be because of the way he selected what research he included and excluded in this review as detailed in this thread /5 All this is very complex which is all the more why the responsibility is on the so called paper of record to fact check pieces like this. It is not at all reasonable to expect the average reader to be able to do so, indeed the reader is not warned this hasn't been done /6 Martin opens with an ironic in the light of the above warning that much commentary is based on a "lack of understanding of Covid realities". Yet he goes on to question why cases are an important metric despite the very simple reality that they tell you how many are infectious /7 Cases also indicate how many people will be hospitalised in the future, will need ICU & perhaps most importantly how many will die. There is a very long lag between cases and deaths so a basic reality is that waiting for deaths to alert you would doom you to many many more /8 It's only 3-4 weeks after Leo suggested copying the 'cases don't really matter' approach Belgium had adopted but now the butchers bill for doing so has started to become clear as Belgium hits ICU number beyond what our public system has /9 Quote Dividing by 2.3 the (Belgian) numbers in Ireland would mean Martin, after warning abt scaremongering goes on to undermine hope that vaccine is on the way or that it could make much of a difference. In fact vaccine findings are expected in the next 2-3 months with very large quantities already under production /10 He then misrepresents WHO again by claiming they say lockdowns don't work. This isn't correct, they correctly say they should be a last resort & the sort of testing to discover cases that Martin don't understand, along with the measures he opposes are 1st line of defence /11 He says "The number admitted to hospital in Dublin increased slightly over the past 4 weeks" when in fact over the last month those in hospital with Covid have increased a not very slight 350%. Again surely a claim that should have been fact checked by @IrishTimes /12 He then again confuses CFR & IFR in the conclusion referring to a CFR for flu in 2018 that at 2.14% was "almost 10-fold higher than for Covid-19". The CFR for Covid in Ireland is not 0.214 but 3.3% - again fact checking should have picked this up /13 The only reason the 2018 flu has a CFR of 2.14% is precisely because unlike Covid only the sick were tested for it. If the same was applied to Covid19 the CFR in Ireland would be around 15-20%, it is lower only because those cases Martin didn't want counted are /14 Martin's article is an example of sunk costs fallacy, once someone takes a bad position they tend to dig further into it. That's his excuse but there really isn't an excuse for the last of fact checking by the Irish Times, and not for the first time The media have taken a similar infotainment approach on #Covid19 as they have to Climate Change. Instead of providing representative fact checked explainers of the science to enable public understanding they present this sort of debate with outlier positions for clicks /16 It doesn't even reflect the publics position, polls show that runs between 4 and 6 to 1 in favour of the restrictions. Creating an impression of a 50:50 debate only makes sense if you are a business lobbyist valuing profit over lives /17 |
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Seems relevant alright, but I imagine a majority of people have picked it up in non-workplace settings which would mean the occupation of those people is irrelevant But we do know that certain workplaces such as meat plants and indeed healthcare work seem particularly prone to it I'd say while there are some established patterns, there are a lot of patterns of transmission which are pretty much indecipherable, in that transmission is being perpetuated in drips and drabs everywhere The only pattern that really makes sense is that the more close contact with other human beings you have, and especially indoors, the higher the chance of getting it |
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Jackal
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40,000 people turn up at a protest in Bangladesh over France. What do ya do there like. Even if only ten people had the virus, a few hundred will have been in contact.
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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Many of those who have tested positive are wearing them. As with any bug, if you don't have it, you can't give it to someone else, so wearing them everywhere is pointless, and the case rates here and elsewhere have rocketed up. You can do what you're told by the "15k cases by the end of March" conmen, and assume by default that you or those you meet have it. It's equivalent to assuming that somebody is guilty of something until proven innocent. I don't think society can function like that. |
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ChesterCopperpot
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Borussia
Roy Keane Joined: 14 Oct 2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 10608 |
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Any mention in that article of how our healthcare capacity ranks against other countries in the list?
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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France has announced a national lockdown
Presumably our resident INTERNET Experts™ will be along any second to tell us why it's not needed
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