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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:


That said, while the virus appears to have mutated to a much less severe one, given so few deaths for such a large number of cases, there is nothing to suggest that it couldn't mutate further to be a much more severe virus with huge death rate!
I’ve seen this a few times here & elsewhere about the virus mutating, but haven’t seen any data or experts say it. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I would’ve thought the correlation between cases and deaths isn’t following the same path as March as testing numbers are far higher & the age range of positive results is completely different. 
Last week we set a record for daily testing, 20k I believe, and obviously that’s resulted in positive cases spiking, but if the average age range is 14-45 then it won’t translate to deaths as it did in March, just yet as the higher positivity rate will eventually filter through to the vulnerable. 
That’d be my opinion anyway, I could be way off 


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There's also the fact that, whatever the figures around it now, there has been a mental health crisis for a long time. This isn't new, but all this pandemic has done is highlight already existing issues in society and how badly they have been mismanaged. 
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There's also the fact that, whatever the figures around it now, there has been a mental health crisis for a long time. This isn't new, but all this pandemic has done is highlight already existing issues in society and how badly they have been mismanaged. 
A health crisis in general! We would be under far less pressure now if a plan for our health service was properly thought out by governments this last couple of decades
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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

There's also the fact that, whatever the figures around it now, there has been a mental health crisis for a long time. This isn't new, but all this pandemic has done is highlight already existing issues in society and how badly they have been mismanaged. 
A health crisis in general! We would be under far less pressure now if a plan for our health service was properly thought out by governments this last couple of decades
Absolutely! One of the biggest problems of our age, and with parliamentary democracy in general, is that everything is planned for the next election and not even a decade's time!
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

I feel that there will be a point in time that data will show lockdowns contribute to more deaths than they save, through suicide or untreated health issues.


Surely the point if lockdown is to stop hospitals being overwhelmed, which will lead to other untreated health issues? Not the other way around? 

No, I fully get that but I was referring more to the unavailability of certain procedures or screenings, so more undetected rather than untreated, I suppose. There is a family not far from me and the mother was recently diagnosed with cancer. Had been due a screening earlier in the year but was cancelled because of the lockdown. Now I am not saying she will die of this, as I believe it has still been caught early enough, but I'd be pretty sure others won't be so fortunate.

Also, and at the risk of sounding facetious, suicide victims are unlikely to take up many beds.
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:


That said, while the virus appears to have mutated to a much less severe one, given so few deaths for such a large number of cases, there is nothing to suggest that it couldn't mutate further to be a much more severe virus with huge death rate!
I’ve seen this a few times here & elsewhere about the virus mutating, but haven’t seen any data or experts say it. I’m not saying you’re wrong but I would’ve thought the correlation between cases and deaths isn’t following the same path as March as testing numbers are far higher & the age range of positive results is completely different. 
Last week we set a record for daily testing, 20k I believe, and obviously that’s resulted in positive cases spiking, but if the average age range is 14-45 then it won’t translate to deaths as it did in March, just yet as the higher positivity rate will eventually filter through to the vulnerable. 
That’d be my opinion anyway, I could be way off 

Very true. My original point was more opinion based on what I have heard but can't say I have heard that from an expert!
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England's Daily Telegraph has called New Zealand's strategy during Covid "disastrous" LOL

This would be the same New Zealand where a grand total of 25 have died, where 35k attended the rugby last week and where the virus continues to be suppressed, and normal life has long resumed

I wonder what the Telegraph makes of Britain's strategy

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There’s a reason why its called the Torygraph !!!
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

There’s a reason why its called the Torygraph !!!
But being a Tory is now pretty much indivisible from believing in a fantasy, make believe view of the world

There used to be Tories who weren't actually like that, you could disagree with them in terms of ideology but they did not exist in a world which was as fantastical as Russian television

Perhaps there still are people like that, I just can't think of many

Maybe yer man Julian Smith

But that's one person

Not a lot

I suppose though that the current incarnation of Toryism was always going to be the logical outcome


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The bookies seems like the place where everyone is socialising these days.
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Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

The bookies seems like the place where everyone is socialising these days.


Strange that they are being left open.   Is there a link to closing bookies and increased problems elsewhere.  Only thing I can think of. They really serve very little positive purpose in society other than some tax and jobs in the shop itself.  


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Gov increased funds to Horsey lot to €80m next year.

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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Gov increased funds to Horsey lot to €80m next year.

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That's something to do with the rules of the betting tax.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

The bookies seems like the place where everyone is socialising these days.


Strange that they are being left open.   Is there a link to closing bookies and increased problems elsewhere.  Only thing I can think of. They really serve very little positive purpose in society other than some tax and jobs in the shop itself.  


I went in to watch the Spurs game, I'd normally watch it in a pub, I don't have Sky Sports. The place was packed. There was groups of people in there for the same reason. 


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Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

The bookies seems like the place where everyone is socialising these days.


Strange that they are being left open.   Is there a link to closing bookies and increased problems elsewhere.  Only thing I can think of. They really serve very little positive purpose in society other than some tax and jobs in the shop itself.  


I went in to watch the Spurs game, I'd normally watch it in a pub, I don't have Sky Sports. The place was packed. There was groups of people in there for the same reason. 

If that's happening it's crazy that they are being let stay open.   Unless by closing them it will have a negative impact in some other part of society.  
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