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The level of politely discourse in America is now 'man reads wrong sheet'. Whoop! Whoop! USA! Hez an ideate! MAGA! MAGA! Waka! Waka!
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In fairness whenever Priti Patel read out an incorrect/made up number a few months ago about Covid figures, it was similar
 
 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The level of politely discourse in America is now 'man reads wrong sheet'. Whoop! Whoop! USA! Hez an ideate! MAGA! MAGA! Waka! Waka!
This is the entire level of "intellectual thought" behind right wing politics worldwide though

It seems not one right-wing commentator is capable of arguing in good faith on a single topic, and I'm not exaggerating very much at all there

They're all totally nuts

Did you see the guy Trump put in charge of communication for the CDC - Michael Caputo - he has worked for Russia - because of course it seems everybody in the Trump regime has worked for Russia at some stage or another

This guy was having a very public mental breakdown - talking about being afraid of shadows in hotels and also about shooting Democrats and going to war against them

Caputo was brought in to toss anything the actual CDC experts said in the bin, and put out fact free pro-Trump propaganda




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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

In fairness whenever Priti Patel read out an incorrect/made up number a few months ago about Covid figures, it was similar
 
Patel is in the job she's in because she's corrupt and willing to broadcast a fictional view of Britain and the world, ie. to lie flagrantly

Another 100% bad faith operator

The current British government is in the business of destroying government as a concept and implementing oligarchy and kleptocracy
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

[QUOTE=pre Madonna]The level of politely discourse in America is now 'man reads wrong sheet'. Whoop! Whoop! USA! Hez an ideate! MAGA! MAGA! Waka! Waka!
This is the entire level of "intellectual thought" behind right wing politics worldwide though 



The hypocrisy of what you write is laughable. If that was Trump he’d be slaughtered for it. Yet Sleepy Joe is essentially defended as it’s just those naughty right wingers again pointing out the f**king blindly obvious LOL At least Trump knows what state he’s in, and how to read from a f**king page LOL




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Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

At least Trump knows what state he’s in
Given that he's in a state of total insanity, I think not

As are his cultists
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:


American politics hasn't been intellectual or highbrow for a very long time

American politics is the same as British elections where we have 2 idiots in charge but they're gonna get re-elected purely on the basis their oppositions are pathetic and nothing else.

Trump and Boris could spend the next month licking people's faces and they'd still win the standard of the opposition is so poor.


1 man who's definitely on another planet however is Boris, this whole promise of pregnancy-style COVID tests where ya stick something in your flute or your vagina and in 10 minutes it'll tell you if you're giving birth to COVID. It's all fantasy stuff he must dream of at night.. He can't even get test centres setup properly never mind invent something - The main issue which is taking place right now in the English news is the North East lockdown and why it's come to this - Because there's 1 test centre in 40 mile radius and it was only setup last week LOL

40 miles is like Sunderland to North Shields maybe, so that covers the entire population of Sunderland, Durham, South Shields and Newcastle. So when you finally get there you're camping outside like a naff Glastonbury gig.
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:


American politics hasn't been intellectual or highbrow for a very long time

American politics is the same as British elections where we have 2 idiots in charge but they're gonna get re-elected purely on the basis their oppositions are pathetic and nothing else.

Trump and Boris could spend the next month licking people's faces and they'd still win the standard of the opposition is so poor.

This is completely wrong

Labour have not had an idiot in charge in my lifetime

None of Starmer, Corbyn, Miliband, Brown, Blair, Smith, or Kinnock are or were idiots

Hillary Clinton was not an idiot

Neither was the guy who lost to Bolsonaro in Brazil or the guy who lost the election in Poland, or the leader of the Australian Labor party

Your rationale has been voiced in every country where fascism has risen and in every case it has been wrong

When facsism rises, it rises because bog standard, old style right-wing politics has failed - and the blame is turned away from where it actually lies and onto "the other" - and when that happens, it generally wins - it is a seductive and deeply wrong simplification of complex problems 

Nobody has yet found a way to defeat fascism by electoral means in 100 years - it is an all encompassing belief system, a totalitarian belief system, which is not confined to to electoral politics but the totality of our society - and that means it has immense force behind it

Intellect is derided, belief in fact and reason becomes "unpatriotic", countries take collective leave of their senses and become tribal atavistic bullies hell bent on "revenge" against an imagined other for imagined "crimes"

All the same forces Hitler unleashed are the same forces now behind Trump, Johnson, Bolsonaro, Putin, Orban, Durterte, Erdogan, Modi, Netanyahu, Xi, and Scott Morrison

The only way fascism has ever been properly defeated is through war

Which is really scary


Edited by sid waddell - 17 Sep 2020 at 4:08pm
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Another byrner profile with a lifetime holiday.

Edited by Sham157 - 17 Sep 2020 at 5:22pm
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Dublin Level 3 confirmed!
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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Dublin Level 3 confirmed!
No it's not.

NPHET advised going to Level 3 on health grounds. It has to go through the Advisory Committee and the Government Sub Committee now before it is confirmed. Their job is to balance the health advice with the social/economic impact.
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Originally posted by Olaf Olaf wrote:

The joy this brings me LOL How is this poor man going to take on anyone in a debate never mind Trump. 


Meh, it's not as bad as Diane Abbott in the UK.
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There have been numerous members of the current British government that have made far, far worse errors in interviews with Abbott, I wonder why a mistake by a left-wing  Black MP got so focused on....
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

There have been numerous members of the current British government that have made far, far worse errors in interviews with Abbott, I wonder why a mistake by a left-wing  Black MP got so focused on....

Because she was f**king useless? We're entering Sol Campbell territory here where you bring race into an argument over actual ability.


PS. I have no idea why Byrner got banned either, unless he edited his post and said something else. He wasn't exactly wrong when Labour have just had the lowest election seating ever and Tony Blair.
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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

There have been numerous members of the current British government that have made far, far worse errors in interviews with Abbott, I wonder why a mistake by a left-wing  Black MP got so focused on....

Because she was f**king useless? We're entering Sol Campbell territory here where you bring race into an argument over actual ability.


PS. I have no idea why Byrner got banned either, unless he edited his post and said something else. He wasn't exactly wrong when Labour have just had the lowest election seating ever and Tony Blair.
She wasn't, or isn't, 'f**king useless'; can you tell me why, in your words, she is f**king useless? She is one of the most intelligent and capable MPs in Britain. Unfortunately, she has been harassed and hounded repeatedly by the gutter press for thirty years to the point where every mistake she makes is hounded out and every cretin who reads The S*n and The Mail believe it. Over one-third of all hateful Tweets to MPs are to her and the majority of those are because she is a Black woman.

Her achievements in life are extraordinary, the work she has done for her constituents and those marginalised in society likewise, but she became a cheap and easy target for the right who pounced on her getting tongue-tied in an interview. Priti Patel, Dominic Raab and Matt Hancock have all made far, far worse gaffes in interviews, to name just a few. 

There was more made about her having an open can of alcoholic drink on the tube than there was about Mickey Gove snorting cocaine or having books about Holocaust denial or racial superiority on his shelves. To think it isn't about her being Black, and fighting for racial equality, is to be wilfully ignorant.

Why was Topper banned?
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It wasn't just 1 interview was it, it was more like 5 consecutive ones. 

It got so embarrassingly bad Corbyn had to personally intervene and ask her to step away from the cameras.

And the sad thing is she's still in the news right now for outrageous comments, comparing the mass law breaking Xtinction Rebellion to the suffragettes, what a stupid comparison. 

She probably is a good MP, has good traits but when it comes to speaking to the cameras, she's an absolute disaster and you can't blame race for that.

The people who cry wolf racism just because they're bad at their job are as just as bad as the filth, and it's extremely unhelpful when we already live in a racist country and trying to fight it!



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Originally posted by coyne coyne wrote:

It wasn't just 1 interview was it, it was more like 5 consecutive ones. 

It got so embarrassingly bad Corbyn had to personally intervene and ask her to step away from the cameras.

And the sad thing is she's still in the news right now for outrageous comments, comparing the mass law breaking Xtinction Rebellion to the suffragettes, what a stupid comparison. 

She probably is a good MP, has good traits but when it comes to speaking to the cameras, she's an absolute disaster and you can't blame race for that.

The people who cry wolf racism just because they're bad at their job are as just as bad as the filth, and it's extremely unhelpful when we already live in a racist country and trying to fight it!



5? Really. Can you find them for me? Thanks in advance, as I only remember one, at a push two, incidents that were blown completely out of proportion, certainly in comparison to other errors. Or do you mean five consecutive ones where they kept haranguing and harassing her for one mistake, in a manner they didn't do to anybody else who have made similar errors, or indeed did and said far worse?
 
You do realise that the suffragettes regularly broke the law? I personally disagree with how XR go about things, but I think we all need to understand what they are trying to do and, much more importantly, why. 


This isn't 'cry wolf racism', whatever the f**k that is, or do I know what the cops have to with it, in this instance.  There is no doubt that she receives more abuse because she is Black and a woman in politics. It is ignorant to think otherwise. 

This was a reasonable take on it I remember reading in the NS, at the time I was a subscriber, by a reasonable journalist.



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It's not racist man. It's political point scoring, the Tories are a nasty lot who pick on anyone with a background which is unusual to theirs... Look at what happened with Mharhi Black when they teased her with her background, it's not racist it's just political point scoring from a bunch of pompous smug twats. 
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