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Farcical Just like the story about Dalymount in the Irish Times last week.
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This league will struggle to maintain even current levels of success if the clubs can't even back their own idea a couple of months later. 
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

Neil O'Riordan reporting a backlash from clubs against the 10 team premier division here;


What does that actually mean though ? Stay at current status , or FAI force through their 10 team premier anyway ?


It means nothing. It's voted on. If the bray chairman changes his mind he doesn't get a do over.Bohs are panicking and their pet journo writes this rubbish.

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Originally posted by AnCearrbhach AnCearrbhach wrote:

This league will struggle to maintain even current levels of success if the clubs can't even back their own idea a couple of months later. 
To me that is the actual story here. One or maybe 2 clubs have changed their minds. So what? The vote isn't annulled. Foolish from Bray.
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other than the FAI saying it was the PCA that Proposed the change is there anywhere where the PCA proposal was published as I've never seen any PCA statement.
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Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

other than the FAI saying it was the PCA that Proposed the change is there anywhere where the PCA proposal was published as I've never seen any PCA statement.


RTE and numerous sources cited it as a PCA idea. And a good one at that. If the clubs can't show a united front when consulting with the FAI we're doomed. Disappointed with my own club for going against this, the others bar maybe Bray are just relegation candidates looking after their own interests (going by rumours of clubs not in favour).

I like the 10 team league but it's more important to me that the clubs hash these things out among themselves and present a united front not go off on a mad one, same thing happened with the 5k, agreeing one day and outraged the next. 
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Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:


other than the FAI saying it was the PCA that Proposed the change is there anywhere where the PCA proposal was published as I've never seen any PCA statement.
Cush presented to the FAI and Conroy. I strongly doubt their documentation will ever get into the public domain
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It just highlights the lack of direction from the LOI as a whole by clubs and the FAI.
 
Everyone involved has ideas but there`s no one willing to take it by the scruff of the neck and drag it forward.
 
All this proves is the clubs and FAI are equally inempt.


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Originally posted by AnCearrbhach AnCearrbhach wrote:

Originally posted by gufct gufct wrote:

other than the FAI saying it was the PCA that Proposed the change is there anywhere where the PCA proposal was published as I've never seen any PCA statement.


RTE and numerous sources cited it as a PCA idea. And a good one at that. If the clubs can't show a united front when consulting with the FAI we're doomed. Disappointed with my own club for going against this, the others bar maybe Bray are just relegation candidates looking after their own interests (going by rumours of clubs not in favour).

I like the 10 team league but it's more important to me that the clubs hash these things out among themselves and present a united front not go off on a mad one, same thing happened with the 5k, agreeing one day and outraged the next. 
 
That statement was released by the FAI not the PCA and the only quote is from an unnamed FAI Source  !!!!
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Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:


It just highlights the lack of direction from the LOI as a whole by clubs and the FAI.
 
Everyone involved has ideas but there`s no one willing to take it by the scruff of the neck and drag it forward.
 
All this proves is the clubs and FAI are equally inempt.

The PCA is a great idea and scruffing necks. Unfortunately some clubs within it won't hold the discipline - see SPA FC over the 5k or Cork and Bohs voting against their own proposal.
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Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:


It just highlights the lack of direction from the LOI as a whole by clubs and the FAI.
 
Everyone involved has ideas but there`s no one willing to take it by the scruff of the neck and drag it forward.
 
All this proves is the clubs and FAI are equally inempt.

The PCA is a great idea and scruffing necks. Unfortunately some clubs within it won't hold the discipline - see SPA FC over the 5k or Cork and Bohs voting against their own proposal.

It may have been a good idea but the execution has been horrendously shambolic.
Not having all 20 clubs was always going to undermine it.
Even before Bray back tracked there was still only 6 clubs out of 20 in favour of a 10 team league.
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Delighted we've done this, ten team premier is an horrific idea and yet to see one good reason for it

As article says, only four clubs in favour and at that they didn't believe they were agreeing to it that quickly, fai seem to have ignored this bit - Despite the close 6:4 split, the PCA informed the FAI that it would support a smaller top flight in principle, subject to investigating what effects such a move would have and to accompanying changes in the funding and marketing.
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Delighted we've done this, ten team premier is an horrific idea and yet to see one good reason for it

As article says, only four clubs in favour and at that they didn't believe they were agreeing to it that quickly, fai seem to have ignored this bit - Despite the close 6:4 split, the PCA informed the FAI that it would support a smaller top flight in principle, subject to investigating what effects such a move would have and to accompanying changes in the funding and marketing.

 
What are the positives for a 12 team league? 
To take Rovers as an example we had our lowest crowds against Wexford and Longford. When we played Longford away we outnumbered their home fans 2:1.
Finn Harps have one less home game this year compared to last year meaning they have to come up with in excess of 10k just to cover their overheads.

There are some very successful 10 team leagues around Europe, Austria and Switzerland are probably the most high profile.
The big failing of all the reports that have been done is not one of them bothered to pick up a phone or email the heads of a couple of similar sized domestic leagues and ask them how they`ve successfully dealt with things the LOI struggles with.
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What's the benefit of 10 teams? Play the same teams 4 times and could potentially end up being 7/8 times overall. Will that increase attendances? Don't think so

Even more clubs are going to have lower attendances now given the majority of first division teams will have nothing to play for, instead of 3/4 clubs with nothing to play for its 5/6 now.

What's better for harps? One less home game or an extra game next year against Cabo?

Rich get richer, poor get poorer, there's 20 teams in the leagues, not 4/5 as top teams tend to forget.

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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

What's the benefit of 10 teams? Play the same teams 4 times and could potentially end up being 7/8 times overall. Will that increase attendances? Don't think so

Even more clubs are going to have lower attendances now given the majority of first division teams will have nothing to play for, instead of 3/4 clubs with nothing to play for its 5/6 now.

What's better for harps? One less home game or an extra game next year against Cabo?

Rich get richer, poor get poorer, there's 20 teams in the leagues, not 4/5 as top teams tend to forget.


Of course it will increase attendances. Rovers or Longford in the Carlisle grounds, who brings more?

The league was increased by the smaller clubs getting organised for their own benefit.

Every game on a 10 team league matters with 4 Euro places and two relegation places
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Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:


It just highlights the lack of direction from the LOI as a whole by clubs and the FAI.
 
Everyone involved has ideas but there`s no one willing to take it by the scruff of the neck and drag it forward.
 
All this proves is the clubs and FAI are equally inempt.

The PCA is a great idea and scruffing necks. Unfortunately some clubs within it won't hold the discipline - see SPA FC over the 5k or Cork and Bohs voting against their own proposal.


It may have been a good idea but the execution has been horrendously shambolic.
Not having all 20 clubs was always going to undermine it.
Even before Bray back tracked there was still only 6 clubs out of 20 in favour of a 10 team league.
If all clubs were on it it would defeat the purpose. Clubs like Dundalk, Cork and Rovers have different priorities to Cobham or Athlone. The PCA came about as a result of the smaller clubs driving the agenda
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

What's the benefit of 10 teams? Play the same teams 4 times and could potentially end up being 7/8 times overall. Will that increase attendances? Don't think so

Even more clubs are going to have lower attendances now given the majority of first division teams will have nothing to play for, instead of 3/4 clubs with nothing to play for its 5/6 now.

What's better for harps? One less home game or an extra game next year against Cabo?

Rich get richer, poor get poorer, there's 20 teams in the leagues, not 4/5 as top teams tend to forget.

A 10 team league increases the number of times teams play each other in the league by 1. Is that really the deal breaker?
The only way they are going to play each other 7 or 8 times is if they meet in both cups and both games go to replays.
A highly unlikely scenario.
 
There just isn't the playing pool for 12 decent teams. If we`re honest there probably isn't for 6 teams either. 

After next year the top 3-4 FD teams will be in potential promotion places. That`s about 1/3rd of the league. Is there a second tier in the world with a higher number of possible promotion places?

As for Harps, if they are good enough they wont have to play in the First Division.


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