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Being honest the more you read about climate change and all that the more you have got to question it. 

I’d actually break it down into 3 areas and weight them as per the below:
1. Displacement of water
2. Pollution 
3. ‘Climate Change’

On displacement of water, Earth has naturally gained more land in the last 40 years than any other period before and yet that's in a time where we hear more about melting ice caps coinciding with rising sea levels. 
In regards to sea levels, most environmentalists with the climate change agenda will tell you that sea levels are rising through 1 source as mentioned above, yet the biggest source is mud/alluvium and manmade construction/expansion of cities/infrastructure. 

The mad thing about the Green Party is that Ireland is equivalent to 0.06% of the total world population yet we are one of the most heavily ‘green taxed’ countries in Europe via carbon taxes etc. Yet when you look at the big offenders (mostly heavily populated areas), most don't pay any sort of green tax. It's simply a money making racket / scam for individual States. 

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The biggest joke is punishing cattle farmers in Ireland who are far greener pound for pound then their counter parts abroad. 
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Originally posted by Mush Cassidys Donkey Mush Cassidys Donkey wrote:

Being honest the more you read about climate change and all that the more you have got to question it. 

I’d actually break it down into 3 areas and weight them as per the below:
1. Displacement of water
2. Pollution 
3. ‘Climate Change’

On displacement of water, Earth has naturally gained more land in the last 40 years than any other period before and yet that's in a time where we hear more about melting ice caps coinciding with rising sea levels. 
In regards to sea levels, most environmentalists with the climate change agenda will tell you that sea levels are rising through 1 source as mentioned above, yet the biggest source is mud/alluvium and manmade construction/expansion of cities/infrastructure. 

The mad thing about the Green Party is that Ireland is equivalent to 0.06% of the total world population yet we are one of the most heavily ‘green taxed’ countries in Europe via carbon taxes etc. Yet when you look at the big offenders (mostly heavily populated areas), most don't pay any sort of green tax. It's simply a money making racket / scam for individual States. 


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The thing that irks me is the 'scientific consensus' line. From what I read the only 'consensus' is from scientists funded by the Intergovernmental panel on climate change, who lose funding if they go against the grain. But there is a huge cohort of scientists who disagree.

Aren't we also coming out of a mini Ice Age?
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Is there not hundreds of millions available to them from US right wing causes? There certainly has been in the past. Koch brothers alone spent $150m on it alone. 
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Is there not hundreds of millions available to them from US right wing causes? There certainly has been in the past. Koch brothers alone spent $150m on it alone. 

Money available to scientists who go against the grain?

I am sure there is but it's the IPCC that is taken as gospel. money should not dictate any scientific consensus   
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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Is there not hundreds of millions available to them from US right wing causes? There certainly has been in the past. Koch brothers alone spent $150m on it alone. 

Money available to scientists who go against the grain?

I am sure there is but it's the IPCC that is taken as gospel. money should not dictate any scientific consensus   

Maybe people have just read what's available from both sides and came to the conclusion the majority are right? And maybe the fact that it's ultra libertarian conservatives pushing and funding the alternative gives people pause for thought? Why would those people want to push that? 


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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Is there not hundreds of millions available to them from US right wing causes? There certainly has been in the past. Koch brothers alone spent $150m on it alone. 

Money available to scientists who go against the grain?

I am sure there is but it's the IPCC that is taken as gospel. money should not dictate any scientific consensus   

Maybe people have just read what's available from both sides and came to the conclusion the majority are right? And maybe the fact that it's ultra libertarian conservatives pushing and funding the alternative gives people pause for thought? Why would those people want to push that? 



I am sure certain elements on both sides have their own reasons, including financial. 

There are reasoned voices that question the impact of human induced climate change.

But sure just tax the working man. That will sort it. 
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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Is there not hundreds of millions available to them from US right wing causes? There certainly has been in the past. Koch brothers alone spent $150m on it alone. 

Money available to scientists who go against the grain?

I am sure there is but it's the IPCC that is taken as gospel. money should not dictate any scientific consensus   

totally unrelated to current subject but that's why people like Anthony Fauci are now disregarded by the general public in USA. It's evident across many sectors of society.  
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Fauci is “disregarded” in the USA only by the dumbass redneck element who have swallowed the anti-science diatribes of Trump and venal Republican Party politicians who have avidly hoovered up donations from fossil fuel interest groups. On the plus side, Covid has wiped out legions of these simpletons who would have survived had they been innoculated. On the minus side, diseases like polio are now making a comeback in communities where the nonsense and conspiracy theories have been most relentlessly peddled.
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Fauci is “disregarded” in the USA only by the dumbass redneck element who have swallowed the anti-science diatribes of Trump and venal Republican Party politicians who have avidly hoovered up donations from fossil fuel interest groups. On the plus side, Covid has wiped out legions of these simpletons who would have survived had they been innoculated. On the minus side, diseases like polio are now making a comeback in communities where the nonsense and conspiracy theories have been most relentlessly peddled.

This the same Fauci who pushed the paper 'proximal origins of Covid 19' as the sole source of truth?
The greatest piece of scientific disinformation of our time. 

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Fair play to Al Gore for trying to save the planet.

I presume he will hand over the 330million he has made towards the crisis?

Maybe we should pay even more tax to get him up to the billion 
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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

Fair play to Al Gore for trying to save the planet.

I presume he will hand over the 330million he has made towards the crisis?

Maybe we should pay even more tax to get him up to the billion 
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Why would he hand over the money.  He should be taxes in accordance with the rules in the US where he resides like every other US citizen.  Do we ask all businessmen to hand over money they make or only those we disagree with. Should trump hand all over his profits for things he has made money from.  The same with the Bush family. I could go on.   Or is this pay back on reserved for politicians that are not liked by right wing trolls. 

How does you or I paying more tax in Ireland increase Al Gores profits.  Most of the taxes in relation to climate are there to change behaviour rather than generate any income,  tax on diesel etc would not be a very sustainable tax stream for the next 20 years or so would it.  A bit like an even worse form of the stamp duty debacle.  


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I thought is was obvious that that part of the post was tongue in cheek. 

I am highlighting the conflict of interest. He is given a platform to scream about "rain bombs" and "boiling oceans" while he cashes a check on the back of that for 2million quid
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Originally posted by The GerK The GerK wrote:

I thought is was obvious that that part of the post was tongue in cheek. 

I am highlighting the conflict of interest. He is given a platform to scream about "rain bombs" and "boiling oceans" while he cashes a check on the back of that for 2million quid

Very simplistic way of looking at it Gerk.  It’s perfectly legit to be passionate about something and that you believe is right for the planet and also to put your money where your mouth is and invest in it.  For the change to happen it needs both public and private investment and it needs businesses making money from it.  It can’t only be government investment.  All of the biggest change pieces in society have come from a hybrid of both private and public investment and when you have private investment you get profits.   

It would be far worse if he was making money from coal and oil in one hand and campaigning with his other.  

This is just a trope that is used but it’s not fully thought through.  I would have far more of an issue with people who say one thing and do another in a grand scale.  
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

tax on diesel etc would not be a very sustainable tax stream for the next 20 years or so would it.    

F@#k that. The Government here and elsewhere told people to buy diesels as they were greener. Motor tax rates were amended to entice this too. Not our fault the motor industry duped the Government re emissions. They can't just turnaround now and tax diesel further devaluing the assets people were told to buy. Get public transport sorted before even trying to think about taxing motorists further.
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The thing about diesel is the motorists are only the minority user. Industry is driven by diesel and they never take on industry
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