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Originally posted by zero zero wrote:

he's ok, has a goal in him but isn't very commanding. i would put him on a par with kevin long who is more physical but has less footballing ability so the two end up about even.

he'd be a mainstay for a championship side but never more than a backup at premier level i feel, partially because he's quite injury prone. 
He went through tough battles in Villa's perennial relegation battles under a series of crap managers. He's definitely EPL standard. Experience and skill wise, he's well ahead of what Long has shown so far. Your comments are typical and reinforce my belief that Clark is probably the most unappreciated player to pull on an Irish jersey in recent times.   
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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

He's 31 too.
I would rather be blooding through Dara O'Shea.

I still wouldn't discard him, 31 is still young for a centre back and will provide able cover if needed for our first choice pairing when required.

O'Shea is playing at full back for WBA too so maybe its a case of as he gets older he will naturally progress into a centre back at Premiership level.

o'shea has started the season playing cb in back 3 in the epl for wba
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

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He went through tough battles in Villa's perennial relegation battles under a series of crap managers. He's definitely EPL standard. Experience and skill wise, he's well ahead of what Long has shown so far. Your comments are typical and reinforce my belief that Clark is probably the most unappreciated player to pull on an Irish jersey in recent times.   
I'd say he's the exact opposite. He's been the weakest link of all the centre backs to have played a significant number of games for us over the last decade and has been somewhat less effective than the less fashionable Richard Keogh for instance and yet there are many Ireland fans who still like to imagine he is some kind of top centre back star material based on nothing he's ever actually shown or achieved in his career at club or international level bar one decent season in the championship with Newcastle. No manager at Aston Villa or elsewhere ever asked him to go out on the pitch and defend incompetently, he has to be accountable for his own deficiencies.
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I think it’s safe to say in all the times watching Ireland our centre halves have not been the issue.  

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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

I think it’s safe to say in all the times watching Ireland our centre halves have not been the issue.  

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In the 3/4 years leading up to the 2002 world cup it was our weakest position. We had Kenny Cunningham in there who was playing RB for his club and Gary Breen who struggled to get game time at Coventry and always had concentration lapses (somewhat glossed over due to a fabulous world cup). Stan later was moved to CB and did very well there in the WC. Dunne played a bit for us there during that period and put in good performances for a young lad but only really established himself after 2002. 

Clark is very likable but a bit like Breen, has a mistake in him. 
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by zero zero wrote:

he's ok, has a goal in him but isn't very commanding. i would put him on a par with kevin long who is more physical but has less footballing ability so the two end up about even.

he'd be a mainstay for a championship side but never more than a backup at premier level i feel, partially because he's quite injury prone. 
He went through tough battles in Villa's perennial relegation battles under a series of crap managers. He's definitely EPL standard. Experience and skill wise, he's well ahead of what Long has shown so far. Your comments are typical and reinforce my belief that Clark is probably the most unappreciated player to pull on an Irish jersey in recent times.   

Underrated as well, think he was very unlucky at Villa to play under McLeish/Lambert just after MON blinding spell (did OK with GH)

He absolutely has a part to play in the WC 2022 journey imo, if fit. Versatile enough as well
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Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by zero zero wrote:


He went through tough battles in Villa's perennial relegation battles under a series of crap managers. He's definitely EPL standard. Experience and skill wise, he's well ahead of what Long has shown so far. Your comments are typical and reinforce my belief that Clark is probably the most unappreciated player to pull on an Irish jersey in recent times.   
I'd say he's the exact opposite. He's been the weakest link of all the centre backs to have played a significant number of games for us over the last decade and has been somewhat less effective than the less fashionable Richard Keogh for instance and yet there are many Ireland fans who still like to imagine he is some kind of top centre back star material based on nothing he's ever actually shown or achieved in his career at club or international level bar one decent season in the championship with Newcastle. No manager at Aston Villa or elsewhere ever asked him to go out on the pitch and defend incompetently, he has to be accountable for his own deficiencies.
Very cheap stuff. But then it's only you.
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Good to see him start today
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Anyone see the game tonight?how did Clark and Hendrick play
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Originally posted by aviva8 aviva8 wrote:

Anyone see the game tonight?how did Clark and Hendrick play
Clark was solid at the back. Hendrick his usual inept nonentity of a self and the most ineffectual player on the pitch.
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Starting today v WBA. Hendrick is on the bench and O'Shea & Robinson start for WBA.
Kenny has 2 wins in charge of Ireland after 17 matches which came against Azerbaijan and Andorra in a friendly.
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When is the last time 2 Irish international players scored for the same club in a league game ? 
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3 of the 4 goals by Irish players in the game 
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

When is the last time 2 Irish international players scored for the same club in a league game ? 

last one I can find in a league game is when Enda Stevens and David McGoldrick scored for Sheffield United in a 3-0 win against Hull in April 2019: https://www.sufc.co.uk/news/2019/april/hull-report/

hasn't happened in the premier league since December 2016: https://twitter.com/irish_abroad/status/1339298016780488704



Edited by tetsujin1979 - 16 Dec 2020 at 11:37pm
All goals, yellow & red cards posted in real time on twitter and facebook
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He did well tonight
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Very good again tonight. No game time for hendrick tonight
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Originally posted by aviva8 aviva8 wrote:

Very good again tonight. No game time for hendrick tonight
Excellent performance, unlucky not to score winner. Ireland's least appreciated player.
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