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It's a thin line. A couple a more matches left in the league and they may have run out of road. And as has been mentioned if the 3 teams below weren't soooo dreadfully crap also, they would have been guaranteed relegation, and nobody would have argued with his sacking.

I think the board are pragmatic enough and see where this is going. I also think things have gone stale and I don't know if the players will have another season in them playing the way they're playing. The board obviously don't want to make a decision next December if things are still not working out so it's perfectly understandable that they've made it now and just given the new manager the whole summer to bed in.


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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

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An excellent manager and one of the sport's true gentlemen, but what impressed me most about Hughton is finding out that he had a regular column in The News Line in the 1970s. What a cool guy!
Was it not the ‘Morning Star’? Either way, much respect! 
 


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Finished 15th last season with 40 points and then given a few quid to spend so his target would not have been to simply survive relegation in the 2nd season.

Harsh and all as it may feel for Hughton, for the club, it shows ambition and time will tell if it was the right decision.

Pity the FAI didn't sack people as quickly.
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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

Finished 15th last season with 40 points and then given a few quid to spend so his target would not have been to simply survive relegation in the 2nd season.

Harsh and all as it may feel for Hughton, for the club, it shows ambition and time will tell if it was the right decision.


Most accurate assessment so far.

Factor in also his big money signings contributed to 1 goal and 1 assist over an accumulated 59 games this season, it's just clear that the Chairman is seeking a fresh approach rather than having any agenda against Chris
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There's a bit of green tinted glasses stuff here I think, the football was well organised but dull, signings (though not clear if those were solely Hughton's signings) didn't work, they were lucky Fulham & Huddersfield proved as incapable as they did, plenty teams have been relegated with 36 points in the past. Glenn Murray's goals and little else kept them up this year, and at his age, those appearances and goals are likely to start diminishing fast enough. 

Hughton undoubtedly did a good job overall, and maybe it is a harsh decision, but one thing it isn't is a rash one. Tony Bloom is a professional gambler who uses algorithms & stats as the basis for most of his decisions, he's either after coming to the conclusion that some other manager (Potter maybe) is over-performing and wants to give him a go, or he has seen some downward trend(s) he doesn't think Hughton was capable of rectifying. He may prove to be completely incorrect about either of those things, but I suppose that's why him & his ilk are called gamblers. 

Bournemouth aren't a bad comparison budget & expectations wise, but Howe takes the risk of shipping some awful defeats trying to play decent football while knowing that on the days the football works well, he'll get his share of wins too- its a formula that has worked for him so far. You can kind of see Hassenhutil at Southampton has much the same idea. Hughton is cautious to the last and like a lot of the old school managers, starts out with the aim of not losing, winning is a bonus rather than the aim. 

The achievements of Pep, Klopp & Poch and the type of football those gents teams play are likely also influencing these owners, and certainly fans, if yer going to finish in the bottom half anyway, may as well make it look entertaining- Hughton couldn't be accused of that. Be a good manager for someone like Middlesborogh who are knocking on the door of playoffs the last few years but not genuine promotion contenders, Hughton has established a track record in that division, he'll be back shortly enough and likely prove successful as well. 




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Originally posted by CillDara CillDara wrote:

Probably bad news for Jayson Molumby who Hughton seemed to be a fan of. Hopefully whoever they get in is not afraid of giving young players a chance and likes both Molumby and Connolly.
 
If he got the Celtic job may take the two lads with him which could be beneficial for both
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He won’t be anywhere near the Celtic job. He will be back in the Championship next season.
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Seen something on Twitter that suggested there's a lot of people being influenced by the Ireland connection. If the exact same had happened to Warnock, no one would have cared less and probably agreed with the decision.

Hughton was very hard done by with the Newcastle but this one is possibly justified.
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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Seen something on Twitter that suggested there's a lot of people being influenced by the Ireland connection. If the exact same had happened to Warnock, no one would have cared less and probably agreed with the decision.

Hughton was very hard done by with the Newcastle but this one is possibly justified.

Brighton are a side that had spent four years of their entire existence in the top flight before he took them up. He's kept them up with the third lowest budget and a team that's basically Championship standard for what will now be three seasons. He also kept Norwich up previously and had Newcastle mid-tabe when they sacked him.

Neil Warnock has never kept a team in the top flight despite four attempts with four different clubs over the last 27 years. 

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Yeah I think the more recent signings have been his undoing ultimately. Jahanbakhsh, Andone and Locadia were all expensive enough and have been massive flops. On their current trajectory they almost certainly would have been relegated next season so don't think it's that crazy a move by the board. Parting ways now gives both Hughton and the club the whole summer to sort themselves out as well.

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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Seen something on Twitter that suggested there's a lot of people being influenced by the Ireland connection. If the exact same had happened to Warnock, no one would have cared less and probably agreed with the decision.

Hughton was very hard done by with the Newcastle but this one is possibly justified.

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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Seen something on Twitter that suggested there's a lot of people being influenced by the Ireland connection.


Of course they are.

As if anyone would give a flying f**k about Brighton sacking their manager if it wasn't a Paddy.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

He won’t be anywhere near the Celtic job. He will be back in the Championship next season.

Wouldn't a spell in Scotland be a nice change from the Championship? 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Seen something on Twitter that suggested there's a lot of people being influenced by the Ireland connection. If the exact same had happened to Warnock, no one would have cared less and probably agreed with the decision.

Hughton was very hard done by with the Newcastle but this one is possibly justified.

Brighton are a side that had spent four years of their entire existence in the top flight before he took them up. He's kept them up with the third lowest budget and a team that's basically Championship standard for what will now be three seasons. He also kept Norwich up previously and had Newcastle mid-tabe when they sacked him.

Neil Warnock has never kept a team in the top flight despite four attempts with four different clubs over the last 27 years. 

So not really a fair comparison, is it? 


Norwich is hardly a great example of his management skills. Granted, he did keep them up in his first season, but then went on to spend a fair bit of money on players that turned out to be wasters, played horrible football, and had fans furious. In other words, exactly the same thing that has happened at Brighton.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

He won’t be anywhere near the Celtic job. He will be back in the Championship next season.

Wouldn't a spell in Scotland be a nice change from the Championship? 
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I'd say the situation at Forest would appeal to Chris the most.

If MON starts the next season badly he's a dead man walking, quite a few fans there largely unconvinced and there's plenty of investment from the Owners there, it's a good job for any experienced Championship manager
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Seen something on Twitter that suggested there's a lot of people being influenced by the Ireland connection. If the exact same had happened to Warnock, no one would have cared less and probably agreed with the decision.

Hughton was very hard done by with the Newcastle but this one is possibly justified.

Brighton are a side that had spent four years of their entire existence in the top flight before he took them up. He's kept them up with the third lowest budget and a team that's basically Championship standard for what will now be three seasons. He also kept Norwich up previously and had Newcastle mid-tabe when they sacked him.

Neil Warnock has never kept a team in the top flight despite four attempts with four different clubs over the last 27 years. 

So not really a fair comparison, is it? 

I've already stated that his sacking from Newcastle was unwarranted. 

They may have the 3rd lowest budget, but Brighton also have the 6th highest net spend  (130m GBP) since June 2016. Brighton may well regret his sacking but his side are very lucky to have beaten relegation. 

I feel he should have been given the first couple of months of the new season to turn it around, but 2 wins in 23 and any manager will be sacked, regardless of what has been achieved at the club previously. 
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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Seen something on Twitter that suggested there's a lot of people being influenced by the Ireland connection. If the exact same had happened to Warnock, no one would have cared less and probably agreed with the decision.

Hughton was very hard done by with the Newcastle but this one is possibly justified.

Brighton are a side that had spent four years of their entire existence in the top flight before he took them up. He's kept them up with the third lowest budget and a team that's basically Championship standard for what will now be three seasons. He also kept Norwich up previously and had Newcastle mid-tabe when they sacked him.

Neil Warnock has never kept a team in the top flight despite four attempts with four different clubs over the last 27 years. 

So not really a fair comparison, is it? 

I've already stated that his sacking from Newcastle was unwarranted. 

They may have the 3rd lowest budget, but Brighton also have the 6th highest net spend  (130m GBP) since June 2016. Brighton may well regret his sacking but his side are very lucky to have beaten relegation. 

I feel he should have been given the first couple of months of the new season to turn it around, but 2 wins in 23 and any manager will be sacked, regardless of what has been achieved at the club previously. 

Net spend shouldn’t really come into it here. Anyone with any value at all they wouldn’t be selling. Anyone they would have sold would have been worth f**k all as they wouldn’t have been up to scratch for premiership 
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