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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10547 |
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Employing "Club Legends" as managers is fraught. I actually quite like the employing of an independent person in a role, as the don't bring with them, a "political" aspect. Covid has also been a factor, but even with United up top, OGS has generally had a difficult time since he was appointed. Re-employing Lennon on temporary basis, at a time when he was set-up for a league win, was guaranteed to have difficulty in the event things went pear shaped, and in truth, almost forced Celtic's hand at a time when they might have cast their net further afield.
I cant help but feel Chelsea were almost itching to hire Lampard, and the planets aligned during their registration embargo. Now, there is no excuse as he had a kings ransom to spend, and this is what they got.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Oi, oi, it's back to Serie B with you, Lampardo Now for a home grown young English coach JT please |
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Borussia
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You'd imagine it will be Tuchel getting the job.
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nvidic
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Journos all saying he has it, they must have been working on it the last week or two
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Dennis Wise please
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Jack Charlton Man City records obsession Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Location: Dundalk Status: Offline Points: 9647 |
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It’s a tough gig at Chelsea
Frank was doing okay IMO. I guess with Tuchel being available they made their move. I’m sure he’ll get another job. |
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Double Maxim
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Or Vinnie Jones.
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Double Maxim without doubt the greatest drink in the world
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Roberto Baggio
Robbie Keane UNBELIEVABLE JEFF Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 37294 |
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He was doing well before he spent £220m in the summer.
When you spend that sort of money on a squad who finished in the top 4 last season, you'd be expected to challenge for the title Results have been poor since about November. Rumours he fell out with the board over pushing for the signing of Declan Rice
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Lampardo to Celtic would be tremendous craic Make it happen
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Croftman
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Read that too & that he fell out with Abramovich's rep at Stamford Bridge whoever that is Was always going to be under pressure spending that kind of money if results weren't good. Half way through the season and they're 11 points off top and behind West Ham, was only heading one way with Chelsea's record. Leaves with the worst points per game of any Chelsea manager in the PL. Personally thought he was doing a great job though
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Some people just deserve a slap
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 10547 |
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Also, I'mm not sure why anybody would want the Chelsea job. Is there a job with less security? Pep's first season at City would have seen him moved on. City were more sensible than that, and are continuing with him, knowing he is a great coach. Without the quick fire delivery of trophies, you can forget about bedding down, long term at Chelsea.
Also, from commentary about Rice, and other transfers, it appears that its another club where the board is patently aware that it holds the purse strings, and in turn that they can buy players themselves, or make decisions, which the manager will then be expected to work around. Perhaps Lampard expected full autonomy, at a time when that doesnt really exist, nor did he have the CV to dig his heels in. But, when you look at Celtic and Man United (yes, I know they are first in the league, so it is less applicable at the moment) they have struggled with their "legends" at the helm. It doesnt surprise me that business comes first with Chelsea.
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thebronze14
Jack Charlton Derry City Til I Die Joined: 22 Feb 2011 Location: Dublin/Donegal Status: Offline Points: 7168 |
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Graham Rix as assistant
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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First of all, FL didn't spend any money, it was the club who spent it; that is, like every other Chelsea manager, he was required to work with the players he was given. Second, the club didn't just "spend £220m", they also sold £68m's worth of players, leaving a net spend of £152m. Third, in season 2019/20 they spent £41m on making Kovacic's loan permanent, while making £159m of sales, incl by their best player by far, Eden Hazard, for just over £100m. Meaning that their net spend during FL's time was £34m - hardly "Top Four" numbers.
See above. Which is not to defend Lampard, or suggest that his sacking was wrong. (Or at least, any more wrong than his appointment in the first place.) But if his appointment was anything, it was surely a long-term one. Until it wasn't.
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Het-field
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I find "net spend" to be a red herring. Its a form of superficial mathematics used to hold boards and clubs to account when they are not performing to the level the gross expenditure would suggest they ought to. But if you sell one player for £100 Million and buy two for £50 Million, that is a neutral net spend, but it could actually reap longer term, and more holistic benefits than spending £100 Million. Also, it doesnt factor in things like wages, which at the moment is which a lot of money is focussed.
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Jack Charlton Man City records obsession Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Location: Dundalk Status: Offline Points: 9647 |
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Yeah what Terri said - Hazard and Morata were sold for big money so the net spend over 2 years wasn’t huge Last season he got top 4 and FA cup final This season they are into champions league knock out and 5 points off top 4. I don’t think they were expected to challenge Man City/Liverpool for the title as they are rebuilding. Ole first 2 seasons at Man U were probably similar.
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BrendanD88
Jack Charlton 99% of my posts are emojis Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Location: Co Down Status: Offline Points: 9994 |
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One thing I noticed about Lampard anytime Chelsea lost he blamed his players, he never took responsibility himself! He’s an arrogant w@nker who didn’t deserve to get the job in the first place! Chelsea will be much better without him.
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Territorial
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Alternatively, if you sell one for £100m and buy two for £50m, it could actually cause longer term damage, since by definition, a big money sale must have done well, whilst no new player is guaranteed to settle and start playing as well. See eg Fernando Torres (£50m) Kepa (£72m), Bakayoko (£36m), Drinkwater (£34m), Batshuayi (£35m), Andrey Schevchenko (£40m+Crespo).
Do you reckon that Chelsea's wage bill went down during the period when they weren't signing big names and instead promoting youngsters in their place? I hardly think so.
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Territorial
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But if you are correct, then Chelsea of all clubs should have known this, yet still they went ahead and installed him. Meaning that if they got ot wrong in appointing him in the first place, might they not also have got it wrong in not supporting him in the interim, or giving him the time he needed? Meanwhile, there is no evidence of such problems at Derby, who have regressed notably since he left.
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