You Boys in Green Homepage YBIG Shop
Forum Home Forum Home : International : Rest of The World
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Chelsea
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Chelsea

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 120121122123124 131>
Author
Message
Het-field View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane

By Appointment to His Majesty The King

Joined: 08 Mar 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 10547
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Het-field Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jan 2021 at 8:15pm
Employing "Club Legends" as managers is fraught. I actually quite like the employing of an independent person in a role, as the don't bring with them, a "political" aspect. Covid has also been a factor, but even with United up top, OGS has generally had a difficult time since he was appointed. Re-employing Lennon on temporary basis, at a time when he was set-up for a league win, was guaranteed to have difficulty in the event things went pear shaped, and in truth, almost forced Celtic's hand at a time when they might have cast their net further afield.

I cant help but feel Chelsea were almost itching to hire Lampard, and the planets aligned during their registration embargo. Now, there is no excuse as he had a kings ransom to spend, and this is what they got.
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
sid waddell View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane

On a dark desert highway

Joined: 20 Nov 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 12173
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sid waddell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 9:58am
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

After a new goalkeeper bounce for Franco Lampardo things are beginning to fall apart again

Still no wins against a top half team and two defeats in a row now

You just don't expect an Italian manager to be exposed on the counter attack like tonight - Wolves' winner made Japan's defending for Belgium's winning goal against them in the 2018 World Cup look like Mourinho's Inter Milan against Barcelona at the Nou Camp

The English press will be on his back in a big way, as will the Chelsea fans who prefer a home grown coach

Oi, oi, it's back to Serie B with you, Lampardo

Now for a home grown young English coach

JT please


 

Back to Top
Borussia View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane
Avatar

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 10702
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Borussia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 10:28am
You'd imagine it will be Tuchel getting the job. 
Back to Top
nvidic View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 03 Aug 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 18987
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nvidic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 10:31am
Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

You'd imagine it will be Tuchel getting the job. 

Journos all saying he has it, they must have been working on it the last week or two 
Back to Top
sid waddell View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane

On a dark desert highway

Joined: 20 Nov 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 12173
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sid waddell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 10:47am
Dennis Wise please
Back to Top
Zinedine Kilbane 110 View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton
Avatar
Man City records obsession

Joined: 20 Mar 2012
Location: Dundalk
Status: Offline
Points: 9647
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zinedine Kilbane 110 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 12:53pm
It’s a tough gig at Chelsea

Frank was doing okay IMO. I guess with Tuchel being available they made their move.

I’m sure he’ll get another job.


Back to Top
Double Maxim View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2008
Location: Sunderland
Status: Offline
Points: 42908
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Double Maxim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Dennis Wise please
 

Or Vinnie Jones.Big smile
Double Maxim without doubt the greatest drink in the world
Back to Top
Roberto Baggio View Drop Down
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Avatar
UNBELIEVABLE JEFF

Joined: 28 Jan 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 37294
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roberto Baggio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 1:54pm
He was doing well before he spent £220m in the summer. 
When you spend that sort of money on a squad who finished in the top 4 last season, you'd be expected to challenge for the title
Results have been poor since about November. Rumours he fell out with the board over pushing for the signing of Declan Rice
Back to Top
sid waddell View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane

On a dark desert highway

Joined: 20 Nov 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 12173
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sid waddell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 2:30pm
Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

It’s a tough gig at Chelsea

Frank was doing okay IMO. I guess with Tuchel being available they made their move.

I’m sure he’ll get another job.

Lampardo to Celtic would be tremendous craic

Make it happen
Back to Top
Croftman View Drop Down
Liam Brady
Liam Brady
Avatar

Joined: 18 Aug 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 2554
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Croftman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

He was doing well before he spent £220m in the summer. 
When you spend that sort of money on a squad who finished in the top 4 last season, you'd be expected to challenge for the title
Results have been poor since about November. Rumours he fell out with the board over pushing for the signing of Declan Rice
Read that too & that he fell out with Abramovich's rep at Stamford Bridge whoever that is

Was always going to be under pressure spending that kind of money if results weren't good. Half way through the season and they're 11 points off top and behind West Ham, was only heading one way with Chelsea's record. 

Leaves with the worst points per game of any Chelsea manager in the PL. Personally thought he was doing a great job though
Some people just deserve a slap
Back to Top
Het-field View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane

By Appointment to His Majesty The King

Joined: 08 Mar 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 10547
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Het-field Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 4:03pm
Also, I'mm not sure why anybody would want the Chelsea job. Is there a job with less security? Pep's first season at City would have seen him moved on. City were more sensible than that, and are continuing with him, knowing he is a great coach. Without the quick fire delivery of trophies, you can forget about bedding down, long term at Chelsea.

Also, from commentary about Rice, and other transfers, it appears that its another club where the board is patently aware that it holds the purse strings, and in turn that they can buy players themselves, or make decisions, which the manager will then be expected to work around. Perhaps Lampard expected full autonomy, at a time when that doesnt really exist, nor did he have the CV to dig his heels in.

But, when you look at Celtic and Man United (yes, I know they are first in the league, so it is less applicable at the moment) they have struggled with their "legends" at the helm. It doesnt surprise me that business comes first with Chelsea.
Back to Top
thebronze14 View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton

Derry City Til I Die

Joined: 22 Feb 2011
Location: Dublin/Donegal
Status: Offline
Points: 7168
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thebronze14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Dennis Wise please
Graham Rix as assistant
Back to Top
Territorial View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton


Joined: 25 Nov 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 5817
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Territorial Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

He was doing well before he spent £220m in the summer. 
When you spend that sort of money on a squad who finished in the top 4 last season, you'd be expected to challenge for the title

First of all, FL didn't spend any money, it was the club who spent it; that is, like every other Chelsea manager, he was required to work with the players he was given.

Second, the club didn't just "spend £220m", they also sold £68m's worth of players, leaving a net spend of £152m.

Third, in season 2019/20 they spent £41m on making Kovacic's loan permanent, while making £159m of sales, incl by their best player by far, Eden Hazard, for just over £100m.

Meaning that their net spend during FL's time was £34m - hardly "Top Four" numbers.

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Results have been poor since about November. Rumours he fell out with the board over pushing for the signing of Declan Rice

See above.

Which is not to defend Lampard, or suggest that his sacking was wrong. (Or at least, any more wrong than his appointment in the first place.)

But if his appointment was anything, it was surely a long-term one.

Until it wasn't.


Edited by Territorial - 25 Jan 2021 at 5:29pm
Back to Top
Het-field View Drop Down
Roy Keane
Roy Keane

By Appointment to His Majesty The King

Joined: 08 Mar 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 10547
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Het-field Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 5:59pm
I find "net spend" to be a red herring. Its a form of superficial mathematics used to hold boards and clubs to account when they are not performing to the level the gross expenditure would suggest they ought to. But if you sell one player for £100 Million and buy two for £50 Million, that is a neutral net spend, but it could actually reap longer term, and more holistic benefits than spending £100 Million. Also, it doesnt factor in things like wages, which at the moment is which a lot of money is focussed.
Back to Top
Zinedine Kilbane 110 View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton
Avatar
Man City records obsession

Joined: 20 Mar 2012
Location: Dundalk
Status: Offline
Points: 9647
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zinedine Kilbane 110 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

He was doing well before he spent £220m in the summer. 
When you spend that sort of money on a squad who finished in the top 4 last season, you'd be expected to challenge for the title

First of all, FL didn't spend any money, it was the club who spent it; that is, like every other Chelsea manager, he was required to work with the players he was given.

Second, the club didn't just "spend £220m", they also sold £68m's worth of players, leaving a net spend of £152m.

Third, in season 2019/20 they spent £41m on making Kovacic's loan permanent, while making £159m of sales, incl by their best player by far, Eden Hazard, for just over £100m.

Meaning that their net spend during FL's time was £34m - hardly "Top Four" numbers.

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Results have been poor since about November. Rumours he fell out with the board over pushing for the signing of Declan Rice

See above.

Which is not to defend Lampard, or suggest that his sacking was wrong. (Or at least, any more wrong than his appointment in the first place.)

But if his appointment was anything, it was surely a long-term one.

Until it wasn't.

Yeah what Terri said - 
Hazard and Morata were sold for big money so the net spend over 2 years wasn’t huge

Last season he got top 4 and FA cup final
This season they are into champions league knock out and 5 points off top 4.
I don’t think they were expected to challenge Man City/Liverpool for the title as they are rebuilding. 

Ole first 2 seasons at Man U were probably similar. 

Back to Top
BrendanD88 View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton

99% of my posts are emojis

Joined: 29 Mar 2013
Location: Co Down
Status: Offline
Points: 9994
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrendanD88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 6:11pm
One thing I noticed about Lampard anytime Chelsea lost he blamed his players, he never took responsibility himself! He’s an arrogant w@nker who didn’t deserve to get the job in the first place! Chelsea will be much better without him.
Back to Top
Territorial View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton


Joined: 25 Nov 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 5817
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Territorial Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I find "net spend" to be a red herring. Its a form of superficial mathematics used to hold boards and clubs to account when they are not performing to the level the gross expenditure would suggest they ought to. But if you sell one player for £100 Million and buy two for £50 Million, that is a neutral net spend, but it could actually reap longer term, and more holistic benefits than spending £100 Million.
Alternatively, if you sell one for £100m and buy two for £50m, it could actually cause longer term damage, since by definition, a big money sale must have done well, whilst no new player is guaranteed to settle and start playing as well.

See eg Fernando Torres (£50m) Kepa (£72m), Bakayoko (£36m), Drinkwater (£34m), Batshuayi (£35m), Andrey Schevchenko (£40m+Crespo).

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Also, it doesnt factor in things like wages, which at the moment is which a lot of money is focussed.
Do you reckon that Chelsea's wage bill went down during the period when they weren't signing big names and instead promoting youngsters in their place?

I hardly think so.
Back to Top
Territorial View Drop Down
Jack Charlton
Jack Charlton


Joined: 25 Nov 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 5817
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Territorial Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

One thing I noticed about Lampard anytime Chelsea lost he blamed his players, he never took responsibility himself! He’s an arrogant w@nker who didn’t deserve to get the job in the first place!
I'm not denying what you say about him (I simply don't know).

But if you are correct, then Chelsea of all clubs should have known this, yet still they went ahead and installed him.

Meaning that if they got ot wrong in appointing him in the first place, might they not also have got it wrong in not supporting him in the interim, or giving him the time he needed?

Meanwhile, there is no evidence of such problems at Derby, who have regressed notably since he left.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 120121122123124 131>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.00
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.