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    Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 7:58am
Between the flags confiscated and the lad with the bell trying to drown out the anti fai and Delaney chants, no free speech for Irish football fans 
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To be honest and I hate to say it. A lot of this is brought upon ourselves.
As someone pointed out if you were going to rob a bank you wouldn't broadcast it.

The FAI knew what was coming and acted. Simple as.

It is well known the FAI watch this forum and other fan forums, as well as social media channels for journalists (security used a picture tweeted by Daniel McDonnell)  they have a whole media team who they pay to do it.

my only advice is if you are going to plan to do something don't do it so public.

Not condoning the FAI's actions btw I think it's horrible subjecting fans the kind of treatment.

I bring my nephew to the games at home he asked me the other day why aren't we searched going into the ground like the are on the other side (south stand) we sit in the east so literally 100 steps away.

I couldn't give him an answer other then the FAI don't trust people in that stand. Of course trust should work both ways which on evidence of last night it doesn't.



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Totally agree, as soon as I saw the protest idea posted on YBIG, I knew this would happen. The only question for me is whether the organisers were
(a) stupid
(b) looking for the FAI to react like this so they could moan to Joe Duffy
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Missing the point lads, you should be able to organise a peaceful protest without having to worry about your FA checking a forum and clamping down on it. 
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Missing the point lads, you should be able to organise a peaceful protest without having to worry about your FA checking a forum and clamping down on it. 


But what is to say it would go over peacefully?

The FAI hire security to avoid potential situations which could turn nasty and put a crowd into a frenzy.

What happens if they allow a banner into the crowd someone else takes offence to it and gives out and then it turns into a fight does that look good for the FAI with the Danish FA?

Imagine you invited people to a friends house and they had a fight with someone there would you not feel embarrassed by this?
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You're mad if you think the gestapo would condone even a "peaceful" process. A flag draped with JD and "problem child" is not going to perceived as peaceful by Herr Delaney
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Between the flags confiscated and the lad with the bell trying to drown out the anti fai and Delaney chants, no free speech for Irish football fans 

Serious question - Whats the story with the bell in the aviva? Why do they ring it?
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Originally posted by d-mac d-mac wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Between the flags confiscated and the lad with the bell trying to drown out the anti fai and Delaney chants, no free speech for Irish football fans 

Serious question - Whats the story with the bell in the aviva? Why do they ring it?

It's a supporter. He's been ringing that damn bell for years. 
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Missing the point lads, you should be able to organise a peaceful protest without having to worry about your FA checking a forum and clamping down on it. 


But what is to say it would go over peacefully?

The FAI hire security to avoid potential situations which could turn nasty and put a crowd into a frenzy.

What happens if they allow a banner into the crowd someone else takes offence to it and gives out and then it turns into a fight does that look good for the FAI with the Danish FA?

Imagine you invited people to a friends house and they had a fight with someone there would you not feel embarrassed by this?

Sure if you applied thag logic to everything you could never have a protest or a debate anywhere incase it kicked off. 

Surprised at people taking the FAI side here. 
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Cringy as f*ck...nearly as cringy as that James Mc Clean hates the queen chant.
Playing sh*te football, absoulte pain to watch, lets ring a bell. Knob!
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Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Originally posted by d-mac d-mac wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Between the flags confiscated and the lad with the bell trying to drown out the anti fai and Delaney chants, no free speech for Irish football fans 

Serious question - Whats the story with the bell in the aviva? Why do they ring it?

It's a supporter. He's been ringing that damn bell for years. 
 
He's a leaper..........sorry a Delaney sycophant
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Missing the point lads, you should be able to organise a peaceful protest without having to worry about your FA checking a forum and clamping down on it. 


But what is to say it would go over peacefully?

The FAI hire security to avoid potential situations which could turn nasty and put a crowd into a frenzy.

What happens if they allow a banner into the crowd someone else takes offence to it and gives out and then it turns into a fight does that look good for the FAI with the Danish FA?

Imagine you invited people to a friends house and they had a fight with someone there would you not feel embarrassed by this?

Sure if you applied thag logic to everything you could never have a protest or a debate anywhere incase it kicked off. 

Surprised at people taking the FAI side here. 

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If you want to protest about Delaney simply set up a night of action across LOI grounds and do not advertise it.
Take a big game like Rovers/Bohs or any televised again, get fans of both clubs to coordinate a protest at a certain time during the match. Have the protest replicated at the same time across the country.
 
But then again a lot of LOI fans want nothing to do with the international team.
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

If you want to protest about Delaney simply set up a night of action across LOI grounds and do not advertise it.
Take a big game like Rovers/Bohs or any televised again, get fans of both clubs to coordinate a protest at a certain time during the match. Have the protest replicated at the same time across the country.
 
But then again a lot of LOI fans want nothing to do with the international team.
 
Lads you are fools to think that the FAI would not act on what has been said on here , now as CH says above . The only time this worked on our side was I think at the AGM in Sligo when a few on here said that they were going up to protest , hey the FAI fell for that one for sure as it wasn't going to happen LOL
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Originally posted by McG McG wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Missing the point lads, you should be able to organise a peaceful protest without having to worry about your FA checking a forum and clamping down on it. 


But what is to say it would go over peacefully?

The FAI hire security to avoid potential situations which could turn nasty and put a crowd into a frenzy.

What happens if they allow a banner into the crowd someone else takes offence to it and gives out and then it turns into a fight does that look good for the FAI with the Danish FA?

Imagine you invited people to a friends house and they had a fight with someone there would you not feel embarrassed by this?

Sure if you applied thag logic to everything you could never have a protest or a debate anywhere incase it kicked off. 

Surprised at people taking the FAI side here. 

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I'm not taking either side. I'm trying to make sense and use logic to explain  the situation you are giving out about
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I'm not phrasing myself well here!

It was always likely to be censored but the fact that we now expect and accept it isn't on, it shouldn't be like this. 

Yes, posting it was never going to help but what I'd said was A4s, they'd all gotten in no problem, the flags were a problem and the video doing the rounds is horrific pr for the fai, we couldn't lose there either way. 


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If LOI fans start anything at the grounds their teams get punished by FAI.  Honestly the best place to maybe hold a flag would be at 
(A) airport arrivals on the day before and day of the euro qualifier draw
(B) As close as possible as we could get to the convention centre the day of the euro draw.

JD hardly has control over the airport or dublin city streets 


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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

If LOI fans start anything at the grounds their teams get punished by FAI.  Honestly the best place to maybe hold a flag would be at 
(A) airport arrivals on the day before and day of the euro qualifier draw
(B) As close as possible as we could get to the convention centre the day of the euro draw.

JD hardly has control over the airport or dublin city streets 
Think about this , if he can control what happens at grounds in Denmark and Serbia just think what he can do in Dublin Confused
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