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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

 
anyone that knows were casement park is situated would know there was going to be several issues with having crowds of 38000 people in that area (even though gaa said be no issue) last time I was in casement park was for a charity event with maybe 10000 people present and we're serious issues surrounding parking and traffic congestion so how they didn't think be an issue with crowd at almost 4 times the size of that   

What major stadium in Ireland (ie 30k+) doesn't have traffic issues? Why would Casement Park's traffic issues be any worse than those of say, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Limerick, Thurles, Galway or Clones? Is it to do with people not wanting to park in, how would I phrase this gently, black Loyalist ****holes?
none of those stadia are entirely boxed in by housing in a dense suburban setting.
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Ground Share at Windsor? The GAA took rugby, soccer & other sports in when they were stuck so I'm sure they'll reciprocate now, won't they? Would be a fantastic news story.
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

 
anyone that knows were casement park is situated would know there was going to be several issues with having crowds of 38000 people in that area (even though gaa said be no issue) last time I was in casement park was for a charity event with maybe 10000 people present and we're serious issues surrounding parking and traffic congestion so how they didn't think be an issue with crowd at almost 4 times the size of that   

What major stadium in Ireland (ie 30k+) doesn't have traffic issues? Why would Casement Park's traffic issues be any worse than those of say, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Limerick, Thurles, Galway or Clones? Is it to do with people not wanting to park in, how would I phrase this gently, black Loyalist ****holes?
none of those stadia are entirely boxed in by housing in a dense suburban setting.
Limerick is, Galway and Pairc Ui Chaoimh pretty much are with the added downside of being beside the coast/River Lee respectively which pretty much eliminates parking on one whole side of the ground.

Croke Park and Lansdowne Road are hardly in handy areas for parking either.
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Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by Sono Sono wrote:

RTID you are a sad f**ker taking pleasure from this, it's ridiculous what has occurred but it really would take someone of your calibre to celebrate it.

who is celebrating? It's a disaster. The GAA should have allowed a professional sports organisation arrange this for them


Someone like the FAI?
at least they get the job done. The boghockey mob aren't having a good run of it. Tallaght, Garth and needed some very interesting decisions down in cork and the developments around Croker.
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

 
anyone that knows were casement park is situated would know there was going to be several issues with having crowds of 38000 people in that area (even though gaa said be no issue) last time I was in casement park was for a charity event with maybe 10000 people present and we're serious issues surrounding parking and traffic congestion so how they didn't think be an issue with crowd at almost 4 times the size of that   

What major stadium in Ireland (ie 30k+) doesn't have traffic issues? Why would Casement Park's traffic issues be any worse than those of say, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Limerick, Thurles, Galway or Clones? Is it to do with people not wanting to park in, how would I phrase this gently, black Loyalist ****holes?
none of those stadia are entirely boxed in by housing in a dense suburban setting.

Limerick is, Galway and Pairc Ui Chaoimh pretty much are with the added downside of being beside the coast/River Lee respectively which pretty much eliminates parking on one whole side of the ground.

Croke Park and Lansdowne Road are hardly in handy areas for parking either.


Look at it on google maps. Tight as Croker and LR are, there is done walkways in and you are close enough to
Walk from town and have public transport. It was mental to pretend that quadrupling the crowds would have no impact.

The Gah made a fatal error treating the locals like they do the Croker folk. They are drilled, organised and won't be bullied.
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You need to let this GAA thing go Rtid. I mean this genuinely & without being intentionally offensive; such an unhealthy obsession cannot be good for a person's own mental health over the longer term. 
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Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

 
anyone that knows were casement park is situated would know there was going to be several issues with having crowds of 38000 people in that area (even though gaa said be no issue)

What major stadium in Ireland (ie 30k+) doesn't have traffic issues?

I agree but the gaa played this issue down and said wouldn't be major issue etc when everyone knows it would be.
Yeah this was an issue when they announced the plans, can't believe they started work before getting Planning Permission. Casement Park hs no parking at the moment (one of the main reasons Clones is used so much). Without addressing that there's no point in planning events for 40k.
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Originally posted by AntrimMan AntrimMan wrote:

This is entirely the GAA's fault. (Antrim co board and Ulster council for various things).

Aye, Durkan ballsed up but this should never have been near a judicial review if the GAA didn't try and ride roughshod over residents and the social club that actually donated its profits to Antrim GAA. Utter madness



But the department should have been there to guide them and when the application came in it should have beenrejected and the gaa should have been sent away to rectify the errors.

Instead it was forced through by durkan despite glaring omissions and then we end up with a highly publicised JR and the whole project thrown into jeopardy. There are obviously faults by the gaa but the reason for this blowing up and ending on our tv screens is down to durkan who it is well known has an IQ of around 65. That JR probably cost a fortune and the outcome was inevitable
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Originally posted by Madferret Madferret wrote:

Ground Share at Windsor? The GAA took rugby, soccer & other sports in when they were stuck so I'm sure they'll reciprocate now, won't they? Would be a fantastic news story.


It happened before.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/linfield-pitches-in-to-help-camogie-team-train-for-match-25998005.html

I'm sure Windsor would be available if needed.  However the capacity of the redeveloped stadium will be ~18,000 which is much the same as Ravenhill.  That is too small for the bigger RWC games. 

However my understanding is that a GAA pitch is significantly bigger than a football pitch.  So it cannot be used for GAA games. 

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basically Antrim GAA signed over ownership of casement to the ulster council. the UC and govt then worked the application through.

the govt fast tracked the application through the planning system without any local consultation, an environmental impact which wasn't done correctly and mark durkin MLA approved it.

its a monumental fuk up from all sides. im in total sympathy with the residents whose houses will be put in shadow by the proposals as its not on.

the residents want a smaller stadium. im not sure how a development like this can be dictated to by a residents group without some sort of financial carrot on a string for them.

they have until today to sort this out or the money is gone for good, much like our county ground. if its not sorted casement will be shut down for good. the clubs outside of Belfast wont support any money coming from their own means to fund it after the farce that is Antrim's centre of excellent at Dunsilly! it still isnt finished 2 years on and there's not a chance that will at this rate.

Antrim GAA is about clubs first and county second, and it will continue that way. my own club works extremely hard to keep itself at the level its at. we have an indoor 3G centre worth 1.3 million which we are continuing to fund raise to pay back and in the process of building an outdoor 3G pitch with flood lights.

Antrim clubs like Loughgiel, Cushendall, Ballycastle, Cargin, Creggan, Clooney Gaels etc all work hard to keep afloat, maintain and improve their grounds, provide a service to the community but its a pity the county hasn't these type of people in charge rather than have those who are there to get free premium level tickets at croke each year.
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Great news for Ireland and particularly Clones. Great that the Ulster Final will stay south of the border for the foreseeable.
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it wouldnt of been in casement anyway. the idea was for it to host semi finals.

the ulster final can stay in clones. 
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Originally posted by Madferret Madferret wrote:

You need to let this GAA thing go Rtid. I mean this genuinely & without being intentionally offensive; such an unhealthy obsession cannot be good for a person's own mental health over the longer term. 
Nothing obsessive about this thread. Its relevent and interesting at a number of levels. And nothing wrong with a bit of a chuckle at the guardians of Irish culture falling off their high horse.
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Originally posted by dunloybhoy dunloybhoy wrote:

it wouldnt of been in casement anyway. the idea was for it to host semi finals.

the ulster final can stay in clones. 
  Seems like an astronomically expensive project for two games a year.
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well there was that and that there was no decent stadium in antrim, in fact none at all. belfast has nothing at all. if truth be told the GAA is dying on its feet in the city. north antrim for the hurling and south west antrim for football is where the GAA strongholds are in the county.

we have no big grounds in the county for a NHL/NFL game now, no stadium, cover from the weather etc. its just not there now. with casement closed all the county finals are in country club venues who have done a great job in preparing for them.

the idea was that casement would provide us with a great venue for club matches, finals, ulster championship matches, potential all ireland qualifiers etc. and also that it would help the local economy to provide income and jobs etc. 

derry has celtic park, tyrone omagh, donegal ballybofey, down has newry etc etc. antrim now has feck all. nothing. just club grounds like my own clubs which are no celtic park/ownebeg.

the GAA will continue to thrive in my own club, Loughgiel, Ballycastle etc but in Belfast it will continue to slowly die. we lost 3 clubs in belfast this year and at the county AGM last week it was confirmed that 1 or possibly 2 more will not be in existence next season. that is sad news.
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Originally posted by dunloybhoy dunloybhoy wrote:

it wouldnt of been in casement anyway. the idea was for it to host semi finals.

the ulster final can stay in clones. 

Of course the ulster final would of been played here if/when the stadium is built. Do you really think the ulster council will still play finals in clones after pumping millions into a new stadium that can hold more people.
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Honestly? no i dont. clones is seen as the traditional ulster final venue and i dont think they will send it to casement. antrim isnt high on the ulster councils agenda for anything. football is all the UC care about and antrim as about as much interest to them as a piece of dirt. 

if they had any serious intentions about the nature of this stadium then they, as owners of casement, would of made sure this project would have gone without any of problems that has occurred. instead they cut corners and tried to force it through in order to get it start regardless of the problems that were both there and going to occur.
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Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by Madferret Madferret wrote:

You need to let this GAA thing go Rtid. I mean this genuinely & without being intentionally offensive; such an unhealthy obsession cannot be good for a person's own mental health over the longer term. 
Nothing obsessive about this thread. Its relevent and interesting at a number of levels. And nothing wrong with a bit of a chuckle at the guardians of Irish culture falling off their high horse.

No there is nothing wrong with discussing any topic or having a laugh or a bit of satire, I'm all for that myself. But your penchant to set up new threads about them on a soccer/association football forum or attach yourself to existing threads with such rampant bile about a sport which you have such obvious disdain is a little concerning to see at full tilt.

I don't remember the GAA either ever having set themselves up as "the guardians of Irish Culture",  but actually for an amateur organisation with a largely voluntary structure, cock-ups like Casement & Garth Brooks aside, they have done largely an admirable job of promoting Native Sports & Language for 130 years.   
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