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The thing is though the regular football thing has to be a yardstick, as in real time you are seeing players in action, and if they are doing well and earning plaudits and rave reviews it is something that needs to be given weight. The reality is, we have the luxury of being able to apply different standards due to the age and playing status of the players involved. 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Kelleher is ahead of Travers in the pecking order there’s no doubt about that and it won’t change if he remains at Liverpool playing backup to Allison.

I’d agree with that in the immediate term. However, given Kenny’s comments about playing time, if both Bazunu and Travers successfully step up in the Premiership, I suspect there will be a rethink.

The only issue being that Kelleher generally did well over the matches he played this year, and Kenny might maintain that as the status quo.


Thats the thing.

Travers was set to play in March but missed the games through injury and Kelleher came in done reasonably well.

Had Travers not been ruled out and played then he would have really been in contention for the June games but there was no way Kenny was going to make an unnecessary change with an already settled back 3/5 in front of Kelleher from the previous 2 games.

Especially after Travers performance in Serbia when thrown in the deep end, the nerves and/or eagerness to impress could easily get the better of him again in big game. He of course deserves a shot at redeeming himself after a very impressive season but throwing him in for those games probably wouldn't have been for the best.

The end of year friendlies will be a good chance for him to be eased back in as no.2 if himself and Bazunu playing week in/out and Kelleher isn't. Solid chance Kelleher wont have played a game since June since he played for us and the November friendlies.
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

He's played the last 6 games for us (and overall done pretty well) yet he's probably going to be 3rd in the pecking order come September barring injury. Kenny only said last week that he's enough strength in depth no to pick lads who are playing every week. 

Why would Kenny play him ahead of Travers if he's going to be 3rd choice in September. 
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I don't think one more season at Liverpool would be a bad decision. Allison could get injured for a while etc. But really this has to be the last season as back up if he only gets a handful of games. 
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

I don't think one more season at Liverpool would be a bad decision. Allison could get injured for a while etc. But really this has to be the last season as back up if he only gets a handful of games. 



I think he is too old for another season on the bench
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounding like it's going to be another year as the "Carabao Cup keeper" for Kelleher. He better hope Klopp doesn't just pick a load of kids and they get knocked out in the second round.

Apparently it was also a difficult decision for Klopp to start him in the League Cup final this year. Which doesn't make it sound like he might even be promoted to the heady heights of "FA Cup keeper" any time soon.

Are you the self appointed leader of the get him out of Liverpool campaign, or something?

First, it was because Bazunu was off for Liverpool. Then he was off on loan to play in the pub league. Then it was because Travers deserves to play games, just for turning up. Now playing him was Klopp's difficult decision. 

He played in 3 of 4 competitions for Liverpool last season. Literally the first thing Klopp did after getting to the final was announce that Kelleher was playing it, 5 weeks in advance. 

When he's playing, he's told he needs to go. When he's not playing, he's told he needs to go. When he's man of the match, he's told he needs to go, and on the rare occasion he doesn't keep a clean sheet, he's told he needs to go. He's not going, that's that. It's a very simple message, that a blind man can even see it. And considering he's played 7 of our last 9 games, including all of the last 6, he doesn't need to move anywhere atm to play for us.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounding like it's going to be another year as the "Carabao Cup keeper" for Kelleher. He better hope Klopp doesn't just pick a load of kids and they get knocked out in the second round.

Apparently it was also a difficult decision for Klopp to start him in the League Cup final this year. Which doesn't make it sound like he might even be promoted to the heady heights of "FA Cup keeper" any time soon.

Are you the self appointed leader of the get him out of Liverpool campaign, or something?

First, it was because Bazunu was off for Liverpool. Then he was off on loan to play in the pub league. Then it was because Travers deserves to play games, just for turning up. Now playing him was Klopp's difficult decision. 

He played in 3 of 4 competitions for Liverpool last season. Literally the first thing Klopp did after getting to the final was announce that Kelleher was playing it, 5 weeks in advance. 

When he's playing, he's told he needs to go. When he's not playing, he's told he needs to go. When he's man of the match, he's told he needs to go, and on the rare occasion he doesn't keep a clean sheet, he's told he needs to go. He's not going, that's that. It's a very simple message, that a blind man can even see it. And considering he's played 7 of our last 9 games, including all of the last 6, he doesn't need to move anywhere atm to play for us.

Calling League One a pub league is a bit silly. There's probably 5 leagues in Europe that are better than the Championship. It isn't ridiculous to say that League One is the 12th or 13th best in the world.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounding like it's going to be another year as the "Carabao Cup keeper" for Kelleher. He better hope Klopp doesn't just pick a load of kids and they get knocked out in the second round.

Apparently it was also a difficult decision for Klopp to start him in the League Cup final this year. Which doesn't make it sound like he might even be promoted to the heady heights of "FA Cup keeper" any time soon.

Are you the self appointed leader of the get him out of Liverpool campaign, or something?

First, it was because Bazunu was off for Liverpool. Then he was off on loan to play in the pub league. Then it was because Travers deserves to play games, just for turning up. Now playing him was Klopp's difficult decision. 

He played in 3 of 4 competitions for Liverpool last season. Literally the first thing Klopp did after getting to the final was announce that Kelleher was playing it, 5 weeks in advance. 

When he's playing, he's told he needs to go. When he's not playing, he's told he needs to go. When he's man of the match, he's told he needs to go, and on the rare occasion he doesn't keep a clean sheet, he's told he needs to go. He's not going, that's that. It's a very simple message, that a blind man can even see it. And considering he's played 7 of our last 9 games, including all of the last 6, he doesn't need to move anywhere atm to play for us.


He's only playing because Bazunu wasn't available. You do realise that?

And our other two keepers, who are playing in 'pub leagues' look to be starting for two premier league teams next season.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Sounding like it's going to be another year as the "Carabao Cup keeper" for Kelleher. He better hope Klopp doesn't just pick a load of kids and they get knocked out in the second round.

Apparently it was also a difficult decision for Klopp to start him in the League Cup final this year. Which doesn't make it sound like he might even be promoted to the heady heights of "FA Cup keeper" any time soon.

Are you the self appointed leader of the get him out of Liverpool campaign, or something?

First, it was because Bazunu was off for Liverpool. Then he was off on loan to play in the pub league. Then it was because Travers deserves to play games, just for turning up. Now playing him was Klopp's difficult decision. 

He played in 3 of 4 competitions for Liverpool last season. Literally the first thing Klopp did after getting to the final was announce that Kelleher was playing it, 5 weeks in advance. 

When he's playing, he's told he needs to go. When he's not playing, he's told he needs to go. When he's man of the match, he's told he needs to go, and on the rare occasion he doesn't keep a clean sheet, he's told he needs to go. He's not going, that's that. It's a very simple message, that a blind man can even see it. And considering he's played 7 of our last 9 games, including all of the last 6, he doesn't need to move anywhere atm to play for us.

I just have to say, I read that whole post in the voice of a JĂĽrgen Klopp press conference rant and it was great. LOL
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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

He's only playing because Bazunu wasn't available. You do realise that?
And our other two keepers, who are playing in 'pub leagues' look to be starting for two premier league teams next season.

No they don't. As Kelleher knows, it's one thing to be at one of the clubs, but another thing to actually play games in it. 

You also realise that the others only got the chance to be No. 1 when Kelleher was injured for the home game against Luxembourg, and paid the price for the rest of the campaign. 
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

He's only playing because Bazunu wasn't available. You do realise that?
And our other two keepers, who are playing in 'pub leagues' look to be starting for two premier league teams next season.

No they don't. As Kelleher knows, it's one thing to be at one of the clubs, but another thing to actually play games in it. 

You also realise that the others only got the chance to be No. 1 when Kelleher was injured for the home game against Luxembourg, and paid the price for the rest of the campaign. 

The road never travelled is always full of hope and glory. 

Classic human trait to assume other choices would have made for better outcomes. 
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

He's only playing because Bazunu wasn't available. You do realise that?
And our other two keepers, who are playing in 'pub leagues' look to be starting for two premier league teams next season.

No they don't. As Kelleher knows, it's one thing to be at one of the clubs, but another thing to actually play games in it. 

You also realise that the others only got the chance to be No. 1 when Kelleher was injured for the home game against Luxembourg, and paid the price for the rest of the campaign. 

If Bazunu and Travers are playing weekly in the PL, which looks likely, Kelleher will be relegated to 3rd choice for us. Kenny has already said the squad now has enough strength in depth to give him the flexibility to pick lads who are playing regularly. The way it should be. GK is undoubtedly the position we have the most strength in depth now too
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

He's only playing because Bazunu wasn't available. You do realise that?
And our other two keepers, who are playing in 'pub leagues' look to be starting for two premier league teams next season.

No they don't. As Kelleher knows, it's one thing to be at one of the clubs, but another thing to actually play games in it. 

You also realise that the others only got the chance to be No. 1 when Kelleher was injured for the home game against Luxembourg, and paid the price for the rest of the campaign. 


Neither of them are up against one of best keepers in the world. Bazunu has signed for a team without a recognised number 1 keeper, Travers was widely regarded as the best keeper in the pub league. Both will be fighting for starting spots, regardless of what happens injury wise.

All Kelleher can hope for is a dozen games in the cups, unless of course Allison needs the run out, like in the semi against Arsenal.
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

If Bazunu and Travers are playing weekly in the PL, which looks likely, Kelleher will be relegated to 3rd choice for us. Kenny has already said the squad now has enough strength in depth to give him the flexibility to pick lads who are playing regularly. The way it should be. GK is undoubtedly the position we have the most strength in depth now too

If he picked players playing regularly, Travers would have played more games for us than 0 in 15 months, and Kelleher wouldn't get a look in rather than the last 6 games. So he's still got a way to go before he's ahead of Kelleher.
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