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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Taffarel seemingly joining Liverpool to coach Allison. So doesn't sound like he's going anywhere anytime soon. Kelleher best off moving on 
He's joining to provide a different perspective and to coach all goalkeepers. Kelleher will benefit from this. 


Taffarel was f**king sh*te! Hope he’s a better coach. 

Yeah, Taffarel looked the part. Had a presence about him, but was fairly average more often than not.
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All the goalkeepers I remember from when I was really young (Campos, Ravelli, Taffarel) were a bit sh*t in hindsight. The reason they resonated with you at the time is because they were mad lads.

Rustu Recber and Carlos Roa are another couple from my heyday of enjoying football. 
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Klopp has managed the Kelleher situation well so far. Trusting him in any senior fixture shows how highly he rates him. Kelleher is the number 2 at the club and will be expected to step up at any minute. Training 5/6 days a week with that squad is doing him no harm at all and if/when he gets a call he’s ready to step in. The ideal scenario for Kelleher and Ireland is Alison gets injured and Kelleher steps in and does well for 8 or 10 games and maybe gets a move out of it down the line. 

If he gets a move in January he’s only going to go to play as a number 1 keeper. He’s not going to the Championship so tell me what Premier League club needs a number 1 at the moment? There’s established keepers at every club so he’s not going anywhere soon. He’s after signing a new contract as well and he’s on decent money so I would think he’s in no rush. He’s not going to regress if he’s not starting games and he has the security of his contract for another few years. The downside to that contract is it would take a decent bid to sign the number 2 keeper at one of the biggest clubs in Europe no matter how old he is or how many/little games he’s played.  

He is well aware of his situation, he's well aware of what everyone thinks of it. He's well aware that nobody at the club wants Alisson to be out at all. He's accepted his situation and still signed a new contract. It's not ideal, but a) playing anywhere else is a step down for him, and b) is no guarantee of playing for Ireland.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Klopp has managed the Kelleher situation well so far. Trusting him in any senior fixture shows how highly he rates him. Kelleher is the number 2 at the club and will be expected to step up at any minute. Training 5/6 days a week with that squad is doing him no harm at all and if/when he gets a call he’s ready to step in. The ideal scenario for Kelleher and Ireland is Alison gets injured and Kelleher steps in and does well for 8 or 10 games and maybe gets a move out of it down the line. 

If he gets a move in January he’s only going to go to play as a number 1 keeper. He’s not going to the Championship so tell me what Premier League club needs a number 1 at the moment? There’s established keepers at every club so he’s not going anywhere soon. He’s after signing a new contract as well and he’s on decent money so I would think he’s in no rush. He’s not going to regress if he’s not starting games and he has the security of his contract for another few years. The downside to that contract is it would take a decent bid to sign the number 2 keeper at one of the biggest clubs in Europe no matter how old he is or how many/little games he’s played.  

He is well aware of his situation, he's well aware of what everyone thinks of it. He's well aware that nobody at the club wants Alisson to be out at all. He's accepted his situation and still signed a new contract. It's not ideal, but a) playing anywhere else is a step down for him, and b) is no guarantee of playing for Ireland.

How is playing somewhere else a step down from not playing at all? 
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The planning obsession of Kelleher is an interesting one. Personally I think Kelleher could prove to be the superior keeper with his brilliant ability on the ball but he has yet to test himself for a full season in a lower division, an admirable chance taken by Bazunu. At 23 he is still very young in goalkeeping terms but a move for 1st team football must be the aim next season with Bazunu firmly holding on to the no. 1 spot for the foreseeable future.

It's a tough situation to weigh up, do you stay at one of the best teams in the world as 2nd choice, hoping an injury prone Alisson picks up an injury or do you go into the Championship or Europe to get games under your belt. Gavin is 4 years younger and already has more than 5 times the amount of senior appearances than Kelleher under his belt. It is his jersey to hold onto for now.


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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Klopp has managed the Kelleher situation well so far. Trusting him in any senior fixture shows how highly he rates him. Kelleher is the number 2 at the club and will be expected to step up at any minute. Training 5/6 days a week with that squad is doing him no harm at all and if/when he gets a call he’s ready to step in. The ideal scenario for Kelleher and Ireland is Alison gets injured and Kelleher steps in and does well for 8 or 10 games and maybe gets a move out of it down the line. 

If he gets a move in January he’s only going to go to play as a number 1 keeper. He’s not going to the Championship so tell me what Premier League club needs a number 1 at the moment? There’s established keepers at every club so he’s not going anywhere soon. He’s after signing a new contract as well and he’s on decent money so I would think he’s in no rush. He’s not going to regress if he’s not starting games and he has the security of his contract for another few years. The downside to that contract is it would take a decent bid to sign the number 2 keeper at one of the biggest clubs in Europe no matter how old he is or how many/little games he’s played.  

He is well aware of his situation, he's well aware of what everyone thinks of it. He's well aware that nobody at the club wants Alisson to be out at all. He's accepted his situation and still signed a new contract. It's not ideal, but a) playing anywhere else is a step down for him, and b) is no guarantee of playing for Ireland.

How is playing somewhere else a step down from not playing at all? 

Because he would be leaving one of the biggest clubs in the world. 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Klopp has managed the Kelleher situation well so far. Trusting him in any senior fixture shows how highly he rates him. Kelleher is the number 2 at the club and will be expected to step up at any minute. Training 5/6 days a week with that squad is doing him no harm at all and if/when he gets a call he’s ready to step in. The ideal scenario for Kelleher and Ireland is Alison gets injured and Kelleher steps in and does well for 8 or 10 games and maybe gets a move out of it down the line. 

If he gets a move in January he’s only going to go to play as a number 1 keeper. He’s not going to the Championship so tell me what Premier League club needs a number 1 at the moment? There’s established keepers at every club so he’s not going anywhere soon. He’s after signing a new contract as well and he’s on decent money so I would think he’s in no rush. He’s not going to regress if he’s not starting games and he has the security of his contract for another few years. The downside to that contract is it would take a decent bid to sign the number 2 keeper at one of the biggest clubs in Europe no matter how old he is or how many/little games he’s played.  

He is well aware of his situation, he's well aware of what everyone thinks of it. He's well aware that nobody at the club wants Alisson to be out at all. He's accepted his situation and still signed a new contract. It's not ideal, but a) playing anywhere else is a step down for him, and b) is no guarantee of playing for Ireland.

How is playing somewhere else a step down from not playing at all? 

Because he would be leaving one of the biggest clubs in the world. 

Hard to tell if you're being serious or not?
 


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Mr Kelleher, badgersboy9 is on the phone: Altrincham Fc would like you as their Number 1. Will I put his call through now? 
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

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Mr Kelleher, badgersboy9 is on the phone: Altrincham Fc would like you as their Number 1. Will I put his call through now? 

LOL

Taking the whole Liverpool fanboys out of the equation, I dont see how sitting on a bench is benefiting him. I can see he clearly is a top keeper but, he is currently 3rd in line for the Irish jersey behind 2x younger keepers with a lot more experience. 

Unless there is an injury, that's not going to change, regardless if he's sitting on the bench for Liverpool or Altrincham..
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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

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Mr Kelleher, badgersboy9 is on the phone: Altrincham Fc would like you as their Number 1. Will I put his call through now? 

LOL

Taking the whole Liverpool fanboys out of the equation, I dont see how sitting on a bench is benefiting him. I can see he clearly is a top keeper but, he is currently 3rd in line for the Irish jersey behind 2x younger keepers with a lot more experience. 

Unless there is an injury, that's not going to change, regardless if he's sitting on the bench for Liverpool or Altrincham..

He's in en environment whereby he is learning from one of the worlds best keepers, getting top level coaching, winning medals and playing "some" games. With a potential of a career lasting up to 15 years ahead he's probably happy where he is right now. I doubt that would be the same in 3 years if he was still in that situation. 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

LOL

Mr Kelleher, badgersboy9 is on the phone: Altrincham Fc would like you as their Number 1. Will I put his call through now? 

LOL

Taking the whole Liverpool fanboys out of the equation, I dont see how sitting on a bench is benefiting him. I can see he clearly is a top keeper but, he is currently 3rd in line for the Irish jersey behind 2x younger keepers with a lot more experience. 

Unless there is an injury, that's not going to change, regardless if he's sitting on the bench for Liverpool or Altrincham..

He's in en environment whereby he is learning from one of the worlds best keepers, getting top level coaching, winning medals and playing "some" games. With a potential of a career lasting up to 15 years ahead he's probably happy where he is right now. I doubt that would be the same in 3 years if he was still in that situation. 

I really hope that's the case.
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He will have to leave Liverpool eventually. He isn't going to take the jersey from Alisson anytime in the next few years. The question is how far does he drop when he leaves? A loan would make a lot of sense as he would still be a Liverpool player and if he did well he might attract interest from another PL or European club. We don't want a Danny Ward on our hands who is essentially just a career sub keeper.
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He will have to leave Liverpool eventually. He isn't going to take the jersey from Alisson anytime in the next few years. The question is how far does he drop when he leaves? A loan would make a lot of sense as he would still be a Liverpool player and if he did well he might attract interest from another PL or European club. We don't want a Danny Ward on our hands who is essentially just a career sub keeper.

Yeah, Alison just turned 29 a month ago. As a goalkeeper he has at least 5 more years at the very top of his game. He was only named the best goalkeeper in the world in 2019 and runner up last year.

Kelleher needs to go on loan for his own career. I dont buy that he's learning anything sitting on the bench watching games.
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Personally I think Kelleher could prove to be the superior keeper with his brilliant ability on the ball but he has yet to test himself for a full season in a lower division, an admirable chance taken by Bazunu. At 23 he is still very young in goalkeeping terms but a move for 1st team football must be the aim next season with Bazunu firmly holding on to the no. 1 spot for the foreseeable future.

It's a tough situation to weigh up, do you stay at one of the best teams in the world as 2nd choice, hoping an injury prone Alisson picks up an injury or do you go into the Championship or Europe to get games under your belt. Gavin is 4 years younger and already has more than 5 times the amount of senior appearances than Kelleher under his belt. It is his jersey to hold onto for now.

If you know about his brilliant ability, then why does he need to give up the chance of a EPL/UCL winners medal to play in a lower division with worse players? He's spent the past two years being told that he needs to go, every 5 minutes, and he still hasn't. No goalkeeper wants to sit on the bench, but he knows the position he's in, and how it can change at a moment's notice. 
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Personally I think Kelleher could prove to be the superior keeper with his brilliant ability on the ball but he has yet to test himself for a full season in a lower division, an admirable chance taken by Bazunu. At 23 he is still very young in goalkeeping terms but a move for 1st team football must be the aim next season with Bazunu firmly holding on to the no. 1 spot for the foreseeable future.

It's a tough situation to weigh up, do you stay at one of the best teams in the world as 2nd choice, hoping an injury prone Alisson picks up an injury or do you go into the Championship or Europe to get games under your belt. Gavin is 4 years younger and already has more than 5 times the amount of senior appearances than Kelleher under his belt. It is his jersey to hold onto for now.

If you know about his brilliant ability, then why does he need to give up the chance of a EPL/UCL winners medal to play in a lower division with worse players? He's spent the past two years being told that he needs to go, every 5 minutes, and he still hasn't. No goalkeeper wants to sit on the bench, but he knows the position he's in, and how it can change at a moment's notice. 

Well quit your crying when he’s back on the bench for Ireland! He’s used to it anyway. 
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Personally I think Kelleher could prove to be the superior keeper with his brilliant ability on the ball but he has yet to test himself for a full season in a lower division, an admirable chance taken by Bazunu. At 23 he is still very young in goalkeeping terms but a move for 1st team football must be the aim next season with Bazunu firmly holding on to the no. 1 spot for the foreseeable future.

It's a tough situation to weigh up, do you stay at one of the best teams in the world as 2nd choice, hoping an injury prone Alisson picks up an injury or do you go into the Championship or Europe to get games under your belt. Gavin is 4 years younger and already has more than 5 times the amount of senior appearances than Kelleher under his belt. It is his jersey to hold onto for now.

If you know about his brilliant ability, then why does he need to give up the chance of a EPL/UCL winners medal to play in a lower division with worse players? He's spent the past two years being told that he needs to go, every 5 minutes, and he still hasn't. No goalkeeper wants to sit on the bench, but he knows the position he's in, and how it can change at a moment's notice. 

Well quit your crying when he’s back on the bench for Ireland! He’s used to it anyway. 

Sure what's the point in him playing? Hes getting medals, good coaching and watching a world class keeper from pitch side.
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Every time I see Danny Ward I think of Kelleher, and I feel that there is no harm in him continuing to ply his trade at Liverpool and I take the point about him learning from the best.

Either way, a PL club might try to buy him outright or he might break Liverpool’s first team.
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