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Originally posted by RobsYourUncle RobsYourUncle wrote:

I don't think we learned anything about Caoimhín tonight, certainly wasn't given much of an opportunity to play himself into the number 1 spot. Not through any fault of his own obviously 

His major issue atm is that nobody wants him out there. Liverpool don't want him ahead of Alisson and Ireland don't want him ahead of Bazunu. That is what he's up against. 

Kelleher's only error was to be injured at the beginning of the campaign. He kept a clean sheet on his full debut. He kept a clean sheet on his senior  debut also, and therefore hasn't conceded any goals against us yet. I don't think you can ask for better than that in your first two games. If that record is not deemed good enough to keep his place (over someone who has conceded 7 goals in 8 games) that's not his fault. 
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planning either has a very unusual disdain for Gavin Bazunu or a major horn for Kelleher. It has to be tongue in cheek
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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

planning either has a very unusual disdain for Gavin Bazunu or a major horn for Kelleher. It has to be tongue in cheek

Blinded by red tinted glasses 
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It's common sense. Kelleher has kept clean sheets on his senior international debut and his full international debut, to go along with clean sheets on his EPL debut, European Cup debut and League Cup debut. So when you have to choose between a keeper who keeps clean sheets for you or one who can't, the decision should be straight forward. It's the same for forwards. If he scores in every game, he should play over someone who doesn't. 
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Planning, parking the Bazunu v Kelleher debate for a moment, I take it you accept that clean sheets can be explained away quite easily, and a keeper may perform much better in a 2-1 win, than in a 5-0 win, if they had loads to do in one goal game, and were virtual bystanders in the five goal game.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

It's common sense. Kelleher has kept clean sheets on his senior international debut and his full international debut, to go along with clean sheets on his EPL debut, European Cup debut and League Cup debut. So when you have to choose between a keeper who keeps clean sheets for you or one who can't, the decision should be straight forward. It's the same for forwards. If he scores in every game, he should play over someone who doesn't. 

By your logic he should be Liverpool number 1. He's isn't. Because your logic is is ridiculous 
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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

planning either has a very unusual disdain for Gavin Bazunu or a major horn for Kelleher. It has to be tongue in cheek

I think he just makes an argument, as to why one keeper is better than the other, using the same logic and reasoning as a young kid would.

Either that or he's on the wind up.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

It's common sense. Kelleher has kept clean sheets on his senior international debut and his full international debut, to go along with clean sheets on his EPL debut, European Cup debut and League Cup debut. So when you have to choose between a keeper who keeps clean sheets for you or one who can't, the decision should be straight forward. It's the same for forwards. If he scores in every game, he should play over someone who doesn't. 

James Collins has two for us. I don't think anyone in their right mind would have him starting over Connolly or Idah.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Planning, parking the Bazunu v Kelleher debate for a moment, I take it you accept that clean sheets can be explained away quite easily, and a keeper may perform much better in a 2-1 win, than in a 5-0 win, if they had loads to do in one goal game, and were virtual bystanders in the five goal game.

The data tells you what it tells you. It doesn't account for quality of matches or strength of the opposition. Kelleher wasn't injured for the trip to Andorra, or Portugal, or for the Serbia and Azerbaijan games. In those games, Bazunu conceded 5 times, and the campaign has ended up as it has.

Bazunu is a quality keeper, but nobody can dispute that Kelleher is a better keeper playing at a higher level of football, doesn't concede many goals, and has done absolutely nothing to be dropped, apart from get injured at the wrong time. 
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Imagine keeping a clean sheet at home to Qatar but being unable to keep one away to Portugal, despite saving a Ronaldo penalty. 

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Kelleher's ability to go week after week with clean-sheets may be related to him sitting on the bench all the time.
Hard to concede from there.

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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Kelleher's ability to go week after week with clean-sheets may be related to him sitting on the bench all the time.
Hard to concede from there.


Hahahaaaa yes i was waiting for someone to state the obvious LOL cant concede goals sitting on the bench most weeks!! 
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Kelleher conceded ten goals in the space of two cup games not that long ago, and has had one or two scares in admittedly good performances in more important competitions in the interim.

I don't see that he should be ahead of Bazunu by any means. If he pushed for a loan it would be a different conversation.

It's just a pity Travers was played against Serbia because I think with either of the other two we could've pushed for at least a point, and the group would've had a different complexion by now.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:


The data tells you what it tells you. It doesn't account for quality of matches or strength of the opposition. Kelleher wasn't injured for the trip to Andorra, or Portugal, or for the Serbia and Azerbaijan games. In those games, Bazunu conceded 5 times, and the campaign has ended up as it has.

Bazunu is a quality keeper, but nobody can dispute that Kelleher is a better keeper playing at a higher level of football, doesn't concede many goals, and has done absolutely nothing to be dropped, apart from get injured at the wrong time. 

The data can be misleading? Joe Hart has an incredibly high number if clean sheets. But that hasn’t been factored in by Southgate, neither was it when not only he dropped him from the Number 1 shirt, he didn’t even take him to the 2018 WC and there has been a clear decline since Euro 2016
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Would it be a fair comment that there are Liverpool fans on here who are very pissed off with Kenny for picking Bazunu over Kelleher.... I wonder are some of the anti-Kenny crew coming at things with red tinted glasses as someone put it earlier?
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Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Would it be a fair comment that there are Liverpool fans on here who are very pissed off with Kenny for picking Bazunu over Kelleher.... I wonder are some of the anti-Kenny crew coming at things with red tinted glasses as someone put it earlier?

The thought of that even been remotely possible sickens my stomach. 
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