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I hope Bazunu is the keeper we hope he will be, but 19 years old is very young to be judging a keeper. I like the way he's doing it, going out on loan, playing lots of games, hopefully he can build up the level he's on loan at and do a Dean Henderson-style PL loan eventually.

As for Kelleher, it's a different route, but he's got to be learning loads about how to prepare for Champions League and big PL nights, it's a different type of apprenticeship. Keepers like Martinez stayed as a backup until he was 26, got his move and is one of the best keepers in the league and won Copa this year. 

there's examples of keepers that have succeeded and failed on both those routes. It's a great problem to have
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Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.
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Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.

Agreed but no goalkeeper is going to be mistake free over 90 mins when the team is second best.

Lot of talk of Bazumu and Kelleher but we can't totally rule out Travers. Yes I know he seems to lack confidence but he's already playing at a higher level than Bazunu and is also a fantastic reaction keeper. 
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Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.

Agreed but no goalkeeper is going to be mistake free over 90 mins when the team is second best.

Lot of talk of Bazumu and Kelleher but we can't totally rule out Travers. Yes I know he seems to lack confidence but he's already playing at a higher level than Bazunu and is also a fantastic reaction keeper. 

Travers particularly needs a run of games, for his confidence if nothing else. He definitely has talent and potential but I'm not sure he's ready yet mentally for the top level. He looked terrified in Belgrade and his performance suffered as a result. Still, he's young and has time on his side. 
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Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.
Correct, and they're the type of errors that kill a keeper's reputation fairly quickly. In some ways, the shot stopping is the easy bit, definitely gets the highlight reel. Keeping concentrated for 90mns and avoiding the silly mistakes is what will make him proper elite level
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Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.

Hugo Lloris does this every game and he is the French world cup winning captain. 

If you genuinely can't see how good he is - regardless of his age then football isn't for you
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.

Hugo Lloris does this every game and he is the French world cup winning captain. 

If you genuinely can't see how good he is - regardless of his age then football isn't for you
Every keeper can make great saves, it's minimising the mistakes that will makes great keepers.

I remember Duff talking about when he was at Chelsea, and Cech arrived. At the time they had Cudicini who looked like a top keeper and there were question marks about why they'd sign Cech. The Cech arrived and he was a different level altogether. Shots that Cudicini was making dramatic saes out for corners, Cech was holding and relieving the pressure, clean sheets built and they beame proper contenders. I feel that's what Bazunu needs to develop into to properly compete for the Man City number 1 spot. No doubt he can stop shots, he needs to develop into the all-round reliable keeper to get that spot. 
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.

Hugo Lloris does this every game and he is the French world cup winning captain. 

If you genuinely can't see how good he is - regardless of his age then football isn't for you
Every keeper can make great saves, it's minimising the mistakes that will makes great keepers.

I remember Duff talking about when he was at Chelsea, and Cech arrived. At the time they had Cudicini who looked like a top keeper and there were question marks about why they'd sign Cech. The Cech arrived and he was a different level altogether. Shots that Cudicini was making dramatic saes out for corners, Cech was holding and relieving the pressure, clean sheets built and they beame proper contenders. I feel that's what Bazunu needs to develop into to properly compete for the Man City number 1 spot. No doubt he can stop shots, he needs to develop into the all-round reliable keeper to get that spot. 

What age was Cech when he arrived at Chelsea?
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 I can never understand the instant expectation from some ireland fans.

Why Kenny hasn't made us a good team yet
Why isn't Bazunu the final product yet 
Why isn't Parrott scoring lots of goals yet.
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.

Hugo Lloris does this every game and he is the French world cup winning captain. 

If you genuinely can't see how good he is - regardless of his age then football isn't for you
Every keeper can make great saves, it's minimising the mistakes that will makes great keepers.

I remember Duff talking about when he was at Chelsea, and Cech arrived. At the time they had Cudicini who looked like a top keeper and there were question marks about why they'd sign Cech. The Cech arrived and he was a different level altogether. Shots that Cudicini was making dramatic saes out for corners, Cech was holding and relieving the pressure, clean sheets built and they beame proper contenders. I feel that's what Bazunu needs to develop into to properly compete for the Man City number 1 spot. No doubt he can stop shots, he needs to develop into the all-round reliable keeper to get that spot. 

What age was Cech when he arrived at Chelsea?
Exactly this. Jesus Christ lads 
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.

Hugo Lloris does this every game and he is the French world cup winning captain. 

If you genuinely can't see how good he is - regardless of his age then football isn't for you

Well that is a proportionate response to my post. Thanks for letting me know football isn't for me. I might try hockey so. Thanks again.
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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

Originally posted by rebelbrowser rebelbrowser wrote:

Bazunu has been excellent for Ireland but I think a little overhyped because of his age. Even when being MOTM against Serbia, he made two near catastrophic errors - misjudging a free from the touchline that had him beaten only to hit the crossbar and rushing off his line but not getting the ball only for McClean to bail him out.

Hugo Lloris does this every game and he is the French world cup winning captain. 

If you genuinely can't see how good he is - regardless of his age then football isn't for you
Every keeper can make great saves, it's minimising the mistakes that will makes great keepers.

I remember Duff talking about when he was at Chelsea, and Cech arrived. At the time they had Cudicini who looked like a top keeper and there were question marks about why they'd sign Cech. The Cech arrived and he was a different level altogether. Shots that Cudicini was making dramatic saes out for corners, Cech was holding and relieving the pressure, clean sheets built and they beame proper contenders. I feel that's what Bazunu needs to develop into to properly compete for the Man City number 1 spot. No doubt he can stop shots, he needs to develop into the all-round reliable keeper to get that spot. 

What age was Cech when he arrived at Chelsea?
24ish? I'm not saying he should be as experienced as a 24 year old now, I'm saying that's the level he has to get to when he's 24. He's an excellent shot stopper already, no denying that. There's other areas for him to work on
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Just had a look and he was 22. Not that far off GB

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Originally posted by SC92 SC92 wrote:

Bazunu is also 3 years younger then Kelleher, based on his recent performances he will be playing at a much higher level at 22. What was Kelleher doing at 19? Not slating Kelleher he had time on his side as 22 is so young for a goalie but playing 4 games a season as Liverpools no 2 isn't that impressive when you also consider what a calamity Adrian has been in the role. I still think a loan would be the best option for him.

He was on Liverpool pre season tours by then, and playing for the PL2 team, which he can still do. Already with a European Cup winners medal, he made his competitive debut in 2019 in the League Cup at MK Dons, and kept a clean sheet. A month later, he saved a penalty in the League Cup at home v Arsenal. Last year, he got to play 2 European Cup games, and now he's one step away from No. 1 at Liverpool. Bazunu is not even ahead of Scott Carson in the pecking order at City.
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At Bazunu's age, Kelleher wasn't even ahead of Adrian at times over the last few seasons. 

But that's irrelevant to where the both are now. One is playing games week in, week out. The other isn't, regardless of the level.
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You can look at it either way really, yes Bazunu is playing regularly in League One, but Kelleher is training daily at an elite level with perhaps the best goalkeeper in the world and against some of the top attacking players in the League.

Bazunu hasnt let anyone down, so he deserves to retain the jersey for now, but I have no doubt that Kelleher will have no problem stepping in if and when required. I think both are excellent prospects and have very high ceilings, luck and timing will play a role in who emerges on top e.g. if Alisson gets injured for a significant period and Kelleher steps in and does well, is anyone suggesting that he wouldnt then move into pole position for the jersey?

If we had an outfield player making the bench regularly for City or LFC we'd be delighted, so just enjoy the fact that we look well sorted in this position for years to come and let's not forget that in Travers we have a 22yo starting regularly in the Championship also.
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Samed Yeşil was training everyday with the Liverpool squad and now he works in a factory. He's 27. Means SFA.

Many similar situations to this.

     
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Samed Yeşil was training everyday with the Liverpool squad and now he works in a factory. He's 27. Means SFA.

Many similar situations to this.

 
Was Yesil 2nd choice keeper to a Top 3 in the world keeper at a time Liverpool were one of the top clubs in Europe? 

Have a look around at the other "Top 6" back up if you will??

Arsenal (Ramsdale Leno)
Chelsea (Kepa)
Man City (Steffen)
Tottenham (Atlantas 1st choice keeper) 
Man Utd (Henderson)

It's decent company Evertons back up is Begovic. Last year Evertons back up was Sweden's 1st choice keeper Olsen. Leicesters is Wales 1st choice keeper. West Hams is Areola a keeper with a huge CV.

The PL is so competitive even nowadays these clubs are looking for a quality back up. That Klopp has Kelleher tells you how highly he rates him and it's certainly not as a factory worker!!



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