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Originally posted by Fatnacho Fatnacho wrote:

Caught flat footed for the 1st goal which forced him to scramble and lead out with his wrong hand.
I’d blame Collins for the 2nd goal. Why is he standing 3 yards behind the rest of the defence when the ball is partially cleared? Can’t blame Kelleher for a teammate obstructing his view and sticking a leg out. Leaves Kelleher with no chance to re-act.

Agree with most of that.  Re Collins, while I wouldn't say he was to blame he didn't help. In fact I'm glad someone pointed out his positioning as he did the exact same for the great chance Latvia blew over on 46 mins. As the cross came in he was close to the eventual shooter. But as the ball was about to knocked down to that shooter, rather than getting tighter, he made a bizarre run back to his goal and ended up about 3 metres in front of Kelleher both leaving the shooter unmarked and Kelleher with no clear view. It made no sense as movement.

To be fair when Collins moments later gave a bad ball away I posted that he was playing badly. From then on though he was excellent. But this dropping back behind his fellow defenders and in front of the keeper needs to be cut out.
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Very poor for the first, could do nothing with the deflection for the second
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He saves the 2nd goal into the net. It wasn't a deflection that you can do nothing about. The 1st is unstoppable. Even if you had two goalkeepers.

Bazunu would be hammered for conceding the 2nd.
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Originally posted by Banana_RepublicFC Banana_RepublicFC wrote:

He saves the 2nd goal into the net. It wasn't a deflection that you can do nothing about. The 1st is unstoppable. Even if you had two goalkeepers.

Bazunu would be hammered for conceding the 2nd.

Bazunu would be hammered for conceding both by those who favour Kelleher the same way Kelleher is being hammered for conceding both by those who prefer Bazunu. As someone said before, it's like Blur v Oasis in this forum!

I think both keepers would have conceded both goals. Two great prospects but both far from the finished product as CK showed last night and GB as shown for much of the season (though both have had fine moments too).
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As a former GK myself, he seems to have caught somehow for the first. like he was going one way and had to get back. I didn't make it last night so. I only saw the highlights but honestly he should have saved it even tho it was a fantastic effort. The second was beyond his expectations. 

How come gig gav wasnt put in instead? He's been fantastic lately. MOM against united last week too.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I do not know how people can fault Kelleher with the first goal. 

If it wasn't such a good hit and didn't go into the corner, he still wasn't saving it based on his attempt. He was all over the place scrambling to the other side of the goal. 
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Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I do not know how people can fault Kelleher with the first goal. 

If it wasn't such a good hit and didn't go into the corner, he still wasn't saving it based on his attempt. He was all over the place scrambling to the other side of the goal. 
My thoughts too, it was an absolute rocket and realistically he shouldn't be expected to save it, but his feet looked all over the place. He barely left the ground in his attempt to save it because he was caught off guard completely. I suppose he just didn't expect the fella to send one flying into the top corner from there LOL
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No keeper in the world saves that shot.

Uldrikis is not marked or closed down and we allow him to get his shot on. 

This keeps happening. The opposition keep scoring these goals from outside the box.  It must be 6 or 7 goals now and it's not being addressed. Latvia, Luxembourg, Armenia. All these minnows scoring the same type of goal.

When the shot is struck, we have 3 inactive Ireland players doing nothing.

This is basic defending and it's something that Kenny is ignoring.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

No keeper in the world saves that shot.

Uldrikis is not marked or closed down and we allow him to get his shot on. 

This keeps happening. The opposition keep scoring these goals from outside the box.  It must be 6 or 7 goals now and it's not being addressed. Latvia, Luxembourg, Armenia. All these minnows scoring the same type of goal.

When the shot is struck, we have 3 inactive Ireland players doing nothing.

This is basic defending and it's something that Kenny is ignoring.

Is Kenny ignoring it though or are the players letting him down. I cant imagine Kenny says to his holding midfielder, "eh Jayson, dont close the ball down on the edge of the box!" Look, it's a concern, but it was a rusty inexperienced back line last night and Molumby was playing the Cullen role for perhaps the first time. Let's wait and see how the first team get on vs France before drawing conclusions.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

No keeper in the world saves that shot.

Uldrikis is not marked or closed down and we allow him to get his shot on. 


I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. 

It can be a brilliant unstoppable shot and also bad goalkeeping. 
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We are conceding the same goal over and over again, because the opposition know they will be given a lot of space in this area of the pitch. Technically, it's an excellent strike.

As I said in another thread, Kenny was asked about this in a presser some time ago and was not going to address it. He dismissed it, but it does need to be addressed. (When Cullen was playing we still conceded these goals. It's not a player issue. )

We have shown time and time again that we are defensively unorganised and concede cheap goals.

We conceded 2 goals against Latvia, Norway and Armenia. All cheap goals against 'weaker' opposition. 
 
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thought he could have done better for both. 

seemed to be badly set up for the first and barely got off the ground. might not have saved it but with the power of the shot any touch on the gloves would have knocked it wide. he wasn't anywhere close.

second goal, a bit of a deflection but he got his hands to it and still let it in.

looks like a keeper short on game time
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the first goal is a great goal but he dives under the ball, doesn't get any height on his dive, makes it look a lot worse
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Can’t believe lads are blaming him for the first goal, I was right behind the net it was an unbelievable strike, initially I thought it was going wide! keeper didn’t have a chance.
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Would have been a hard save for any keeper but his feet were wrong for me and he was very low, I dont think it was even in the very top corner.

Second goal ok took a deflection but I think he will be disappointed. 

Really needs to get more game time at club level so we can see how good he really is 
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Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I do not know how people can fault Kelleher with the first goal. 

If it wasn't such a good hit and didn't go into the corner, he still wasn't saving it based on his attempt. He was all over the place scrambling to the other side of the goal. 

I've seen it all now LOL It was that good a strike though, that's the point


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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

I do not know how people can fault Kelleher with the first goal. 

The midfield and defense need to close this down and prevent the shot from being taken, this keeps happening and this question was put to Kenny before in a presser and he said it was not a concern that he is going to address.

Nobody is faulting him for the goal, he's being faulted for his hammy attempt at positioning and getting flat footed. It likely would have went past him anyway but thats not the issue
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Re-watching the goals and I'm really not sure how people can point to Kelleher as the issue. At very least, if they are classified as mistakes, I would compare them with the two goals conceded against Armenia, and call it even. The defence was a mess for the second goal, up to and including the point where two players went for the same ball, and the deflection made it even harder. The first goal was class, and at speed. Unless he was starting from that post, where there was no reason for him to be, there is little reason to point fingers at him. Essentially, if M'bappe scored the same goal on Monday, chances are we'd be besotted by his still and talent, rather than focussing on goalkeeping.
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