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Tony Cousins
500 Club la la la Joined: 02 Apr 2014 Status: Offline Points: 542 |
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Pats won the title in 1990 for the first time in 34 years, and he was the manager.
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Jack Charlton Teenage Kicks, so hard to beat Joined: 30 Mar 2015 Status: Online Points: 7578 |
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You could say this about any manager really tho. Every manager or ex-manager talks a good game but not many of them can actually back it up.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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Jack was a systematic football thinker We were one of the only countries at the 1990 World Cup with an actual tactical idea I often think to myself "why do we never see a Bonner type kickout?" nowadays? Why do we never see a big man/smaller man combination? Most things come back into fashion at some point I'm sure I read an article not that long ago, may be seven or eight years ago, about why nobody played 3-5-2 anymore, and why it likely wouldn't ever happen again Within a couple of years, 3-5-2 was back in vogue in a big way
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Four-Four-Two
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the way charlton played will never be in vogue again, save perhaps a team desperately trying to stave off relegation or the likes. it is pretty much a tactic for teams who think they can't compete with others on a traditional skill basis, so its obviously of no use to teams competing to win titles
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10346 |
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Jack basically changed football as it was played at an international level. As he referred to it "put em under pressure". Hastle and harry teams up the pitch and force them to play their game (which would have involved knocking the ball around a bit), and force errors and mistakes. Target men who could hold up the ball (Quinn and Cascarino) played into that. But if you think about goals scored, and in particular crucial goals during Jacks tenure, it was the application of pressure after a long ball from Bonner. It wasn't "hit and hope", it required skill or pressure to be applied by other players. Think the OG by Spain in Dublin in 1989, Sheedy v England and Quinn against the Netherlands in 1990. Even at a weird level, Baia's own goal in 1995.
Hoofball is far more generic and involves drop offs, think Robbie's goal in Bari in 2009, Given from defence, Folan gets the touch, Keane scores the goal. Or even more rudimentary, the Duffy goals in 2017 which came from dead-balls from defence, or deeper midfield
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Paul McGrath Hmmm, Goodness, I must say Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Tibet Status: Offline Points: 15687 |
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Funny when i think of Kerr i can never get the pitcure out of my mind when he was smashed out of his head in the corner of the 24 hour bar in Astana .
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Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days .
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Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 34721 |
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Gargled out of it having a go at Trap's record . |
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Jack Charlton MAYO FOR SAM Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Location: The local Status: Offline Points: 6943 |
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Had a fair few on him too in the bar in the Faroes before the game.
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tetsujin1979
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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On the most basic level any long ball is hit and hope, ie. you don't know what the outcome will be The point is you hit it long knowing there's a half decent chance something will happen - either your big man gets a head to it and sticks it in the net, like Cascarino did against England at Lansdowne Road, your big man nods it down for somebody else to get on the end of like Quinn did for Robbie Keane against Germany, or the pressure created by the hoof creates a mistake, as it did for the goals against England and Holland at Italia '90 Given's hoof up to Folan for the goal against Italy in '09 had a plan, it's a basic plan but it's a plan And there's nothing to say that tactic can't work no matter if it's 1990 or 2020 |
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MC Hammered
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 6833 |
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I take the point that various tactics come back into vogue. However, if a decent team has a high defensive line then playing long ball to a lanky front man isnt likely to get you very far against them.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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A team with a high line is always vulnerable to a ball over the top, be that from the ground by an outfield player to find a well timed run through to beat the offside trap, or from a backpedal Holland started off with a high line from Bonner's hoof in 1990, but they had to furiously backpedal, creating the mistake All tactics have a place, the mistake is in thinking that certain tactics don't have a place
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10346 |
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I'd agree with a lot of that, but I think there is a spectrum of "hoof ball", and I think nobody knows it better than Ireland fans who have watched various iterations of it over the years. The style employed in recent years has been the weakest by far, as it almost relied on dead-ball situations, which is difference to the variation which can happen from "in-play" long-ball, like the Cascarino goal in 1990, and almost was the product of waves of pressure. This is different to the hit the big man on top for the drop off to the smaller striker (ala Quinn/Aldo or Folan/Keane). And this is certainly different to win a free kick or corner, and send the big men up to win the header from the deadfall. The truth is, the first type of tactic may still have a place, even if it would look direct. The second, would have its difficulties the moment you come up against stronger defenders, and finally the third type is doomed to failure, especially in games where you come up against technically better players. So, if you're going to play it, it has to be in conjunction with something else.
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Territorial
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Previously yes, but not so much now that teams have developed "sweeper keepers", who are far more ready to come out of their area, whilst being so much better with their feet. Plus coincidentally, VAR now makes it harder to beat the offside trap. And even for teams whose attackers can exploit a high defensive line (eg Leicester/Vardy or Spurs/Son), these days it v.rarely follows a long kick out from GK or CB. More often it follows a clever through ball from midfield eg Maddison or Kane.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 24975 |
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Kerr's pronunciations of players crack me up. "Bally" the United defender
The funniest was when he called the Dynamo Kiev Ultras who had their tops off in the cold "The Hardy Bucks"
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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You'd 100% believe as soon as we drew Azerbaijan Kerr watched all their games for the last few years
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