Booing our players for taking a knee |
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t_rAndy
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I think I will be happy when its not done anymore but especislly now the Irish players appear to be quite firm in their support of it for me its a no brainer we should support and respect their decision to take the knee so I think I will continue to be ok with them doing it as long as they want to.
its also a tough one for the football authorities and the players to suddenly stop doing it because if they stopped now because people were starting to boo then it would kind if be like a submission to the boo boys.
Some players and clubs not doing it anymore anyway so eventually will stop but as said, as long as the footballers are wanting to do it then I'll continue to be OK with it and be against the boo boys |
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theworm2345
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"Ah lads, sure its only to show solidarity, what's the problem if the political agenda behind it is highly suspect?"
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/ireland-5-germany-2-when-nazi-salutes-took-over-dalymount-park-1.3678273
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DeclanDaly
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Some of the arguments here are utterly clueless. Happy to discuss any of them with anybody anywhere other than a football forum. drawing parallels between Black Lives Matter and naziism is just silliness.
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Wheelo
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100 percent correct. But just as silly is saying someone is racist because they boo players “taking the knee”. Im sure done are, but vast majority aren’t. A number of blacks also have an issue with “the knee”. Why I have to say that, to somehow imply I’m not a racist, is a sad indication of the way populist society has gone. I deplore any discrimination regardless of colour or nationality. A more worthy cause at moment is for the poor people in Palestine. No knee for the likes of the whites in South Africa been burned out of their houses for being white? They ain’t worthy of one? I said at start of this, “the knee” could potentially stoke a racial divide in England. That looks like it’s happened now
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Jackal
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The main difference between us and the USA is that our Gardai have never shot an innocent black fella. We don't live in the USA. Let's stop pretending we live in America. I wouldn't agree with booing it though.
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Dunne23
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This post baffles me. You first allude to your feeling that BLM is anti-white movement then you say let's catch the people who boo and ban them? I personally wouldn't boo as I believe the sentiment for the players is about equality. I doubt that many of the footballers would share some of the socialist ideas that I personally believe in. But are people not allowed to express their concerns? There is probably a better means of doing it that isn't booing but they should still have the right. I don't believe for the most part that the people who boo are booing equality. Neoliberalism is rife and I think people are seeing through it. The irony of Sky having Jamie Carragher talking ethics when he literally spat on a child sums it up for me.
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Left foot
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My reasoning that taking the knee is bad is this, in the England game that was played today, had all the players with the exception of Harry Kane decided to take the knee. Harry kane decided he wanted to stand instead, this would result in Harry Kane being singled out and potentially called a racist.
He would have to explain his behaviour to the press, southgate would be required to make a statement, sponsors would likely look to distance themselves from Harry Kane as they don't want to be accused as racist and Harry kane would likely be seen as having white privilege. So to prevent this Harry kane would just tow the line and take the knee instead even though he may not want to and feel fighting racism can be achieved by other better means. This means that taking the knee is compulsory NOT voluntary. A gesture that has repercussions for non compliance is never a good thing. Non black players can only really stop taking the knee when enough of the black players do. |
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notpropaganda73
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Some amount of nonsense spouted in here and the internet in general about this whole thing. The fact people get so het up about it is proof it's working and necessary imo.
Will proudly cheer our lads if and when we're allowed back in the stadium, and if there is booing I'll clap and cheer as loud as possible to drown it out.
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Het-field
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Neo-liberalism has nothing to do with the booing. Its a mentality that has manifested itself, which is using complaints about 'politicising football' as a proxy reason to boo something they are uncomfortable with, which has nothing to do with an objection to politicising football. In the UK, I'd be unsurprised if people most concerned with the taking of the knee were sympathetic to the DFLA when they were merging politics and football.
FWIW I don't think any Irish fans would boo it.
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planning
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They're not booing the players, and players should not take it personally. They're booing the gesture. There's a difference. Fair enough the players are not politicians, but the gesture started not as a gesture of solidarity with black players, but because of what happened to George Floyd. Tragic as it was, that was not a football, or sporting incident, so it's not for football or sports in general to deal with. If you want to show your support, go back to wearing tshirts and armbands. It's just as effective and nobody will boo that. We know the players views, we've got the message every game for the past 12 months, we see it on SSN every few minutes. When fans came back into grounds, booing the gesture was expected, so it should not be a surprise. Players can nicely package it as "human rights" all they want, but nobody boos human rights issues. It's booed because some fans see it as a political symbol linked to a political identity in the USA. It's a pre match ritual now that has to be seen to be done. The players have said that they won't stop doing it, so the booing itself won't stop until they do. The rest of Europe are well able to play games without needing to kneel down in the middle of the pitch to make a point, even those nations with serious racism issues and very questionable human rights records. As regards Ireland and Irish players, our culture and willingness to integrate with other races is much better than in the UK, while there's not really a major problem for the players relative to British ones. The obvious exception is McClean, but as he's white, nobody really cares about what he has to put up with, apart from us. |
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What do people think those booing the knee are objecting to? Are they saying we don't need to make a point that racism is unacceptable?
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The Huntacha
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The logic being used by some posters on here is baffling and embarrassing, prime example being Left Foot's Harry Kane example. It couldn't be any clearer that non-black players are supporting their black team-mates by taking the knee, rather than "towing the line" for fear of being branded a racist.
Fans who are unable to stand silently for less than 10 seconds while respecting a fight against injustice need to take a good look at themselves. If you can't show solidarity with a fellow human, you're a racist, plain and simple, no matter the whataboutery you try to justify it with. I'd be interested to know if Kovacic took the knee while playing for Chelsea. because he didnt take it yesterday.
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Borussia
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I was going to say I wouldn't expect any of our fans to boo it but after reading some of the nonsense on here I wouldn't be so sure.
Firstly, taking the knee was happening long before BLM became a movement. Secondly, the England players have specified why they are taking the knee and what it represents. Most people I've heard trying to justify booing it in England complain it is representing things that the England players are saying it doesn't - To ignore that and boo is effectively saying you are not happy with people complaining abut racism. And I think the reason Ireland took the knee against Hungary was a reaction to the booing of the England team which I think happened after the Andorra game.
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Left foot
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Taking a knee started with Colin kaepernick did it during a American national anthem to highlight racism in the USA specifically related to the police.
It was further made popular in Europe when George Floyd was murdered last year and was heavily associated with BLM and most broadcasters has BLM captions during the taking a knee. This is a wholly American export related to their social problems. It has nothing to do with Europe. Football in England, as that's where most of our senior players are based have programmes like kick it out which specifically highlights racism in football. You are now starting to see Palestinian and Israel flags in grounds which is the politicisation of the middle Eastern conflict. Political statements have no place in football and also they don't work. We are not solving racism with taking the knee obviously. |
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BigPodge
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Spot on, some amount of embarrassing post on this thread
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The White Cafu
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Any fans booing inside the ground should be dealt with by the fans around them. I’ll be extremely embarrassed if there’s any booing, some posters here trying to excuse their own racism is unreal
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BigPodge
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You and others keep coming back with the above line, taking the knee has turned into a general gesture by footballers to show they are anti-racism, who says it is anything to do with previous usage? You still see huge amounts of racist comments being posted online/sent to players on a regular basis, didn't Rashford say he received 70 racist messages after the EL final recently? I don't have an issue with players taking the knee and certainly would not boo any players that did, people that boo are racist in my opinion, plain and simple.
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BrendanD88
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Correct Podge.
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